I'd say this is important for us in the UK to know:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-paranoid-about-special-relationship-us-officials-said-2151052.html

Knowing that your government is so spineless and pathetic that those on the global scene are laughing their heads off at them is kinda important for those of us stuck with them. Might help start the glorious revolution.

TheCheese33: anybody wishing the death of another human being, or ready to kill another human being (as you wrote yourself, and don't give me a "the heat of the moment" excuse) doesn't deserve the name of "human being". So look at yourself in the mirror, look very closely. And maybe you'll see the fool you are.

Because, face it: what Wikileaks is leaking these days was a secret for US, average citizens of this rotten world. Governments, embassies, intelligence services, terrorists, they all knew what there was to know already.. You're being toyed with by people with political agendas who seized this occasion to push their ideas about less transparency, less free medias.

If someone is threatening your life and well-being, I think it is very appropriate that they are jailed for life or executed. What Assange is doing falls under that category.

There's not any way you can distort what they did last night into anything other than "these people are lunatics and need to be shut down". What they published before is not under debate; the infrastructure details were not things "everyone" knew, and now any swinging dick can launch their own amateur attack.

This is a guy who was threatening to release more information if he was caught. What about that screams "righteous vigilante" to you?

You're right, I won't give an excuse about not wanting to kill him. It's not like people have to make excuses when they say "I want to kill Fidel Castro". I just got carried away with the idea of taking him out myself.

I believe everything what government does should be transparent. every single thing.

I don't trust politicians, I find them self-centered power hungry idiots who don't give a crap about the country, about the people but only about their own position and how things affect them


So i disagree with you cheese. What the dude does is a good thing. Lunatics are governments not these people.

http://gizmodo.com/5591905/wikileaks-critic-adrian-lamo-defends-manning-decision
Here's some real transparency for you. Even the leaker's friends and families think they are insane.

not sure whats your point.

soldier finally does something right and makes war crimes public and then is betrayed.

not sure what you are getting at.

I'm not arguing that the apache video should not have been posted. I'm arguing that 260,000 other documents that he did not even scan was reckless, idiotic behavior, and that Lamo did the right thing. I don't know about Australia, UK or the rest of Europe, but around here, treason is punishable by death for a reason.

You argue that transparency is a good thing. Lamo's actions were also transparency. Guess what? Both Lamo and Manning caused deaths with their "transparency".

Are all these family members and friends qualified psychiatrists? They're not? Then their opinion is just that. I take it you have never heard of dysfunctional families or considered that people can be paid or convinced to say bad things about their own family or are just plain idiotic? "All evil people need to win is for good men to do nothing", I don't know if wikileaks is good but it has exposed the corruption.

"There's corruption everywhere" is often used as an excuse, but all it does is show that you endorse it. "It's how the world works!" is also said, and yes that's how the world works and it's going to get worse now since by saying that you are accepting their behaviour, which means that you are giving them the go ahead to be even more corrupt. When corrupt individuals are not punished when exposed the corruption spreads.

I know people are going to claim that 'people will die from these leaks!', bullshit. People died due to that apache pilot's actions, and British troops are being killed by American troops with 'friendly fire' and yet there is no punishment for these actions, leaking that information might finally force the American government to actually train their troops better instead of making everyone else pay for their ineptitude, saving more lives.

I wouldn't call releasing 260,000 documents that weren't even skimmed by the leaker "fighting corruption". I call that stupidity, and as a soldier he should've known better.

Like I said before, I'm fine with him releasing the apache video. If that's all he did, then that would be okay. I'm just having trouble grasping why he would upload shit before he even checked it. That's what Lamo realized. Lamo did the right thing.

Julian Assange is a hero.

All of Wikileaks are heroes.

If you don't want people reading something don't write it. There is no such thing as privacy in this day and age.

I fully support transparency of everything.

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Sorry about the rant guys, but if you don't agree... well I don't know, but there is nothing you can do but remain ignorant.

All right then, post your credit card information. And your social security number, please. While you're at it, you might as well tell me where you live, what your garage door code is and what hours I can find you out of the house.

What's the matter? I thought you supported "full transparency"?

That's the reason leakers should be stopped. It's like giving the keys of the Ferrari to Slow David. It will only end in destruction.

And how many deaths did all those uk, usa, australian etc. caused? many more than what those leaks can ever cause (especially since they are not top secret stuff. just random not reported stuff which was not analyzed and deemed to be safe to be released. if anyone really wanted to get info on anything those cables have they would easily do so)


Treason is punishable by death. It is bullshit law. He is going to be punished for that apache video too. cause it was treason to release it.
the dude did something right. he saw unaccountable crimes committed by politicians. and he decided to show it only to be betrayed.

that's wrong
fallacy

full transparency is for politicians and what the f--- they do at their job. Only then they can be accountable.

What?!?! The destruction of the United States? I can not wait :)

You're kidding yourself if you think the same won't be demanded of us if we force our politicians to go fully transparent. If you thought we had no privacy before, oh boy, wait until we demand more transparency. Think the TSA's procedures are bad? They could be a whole lot worse. All our phone calls will be tapped, all our conversations will be recorded, all our activity in public places will be taped...

Let me put it this way. It'll be Big Brother.
Just wait until someone starts leaking all of Australia's dirty little secrets. Then you won't feel so proud of your country.

Your argument has no merit. For big Brother to exist secrecy of the state is required. Otherwise how can you use that information against the citizens?

But if you cannot use that information whats the point of collecting them in the first place.


Full transparency of politicians is not possible. Shady deals will take place, lies will be said. Hindering their ability to retain information secret tough will help to minimize the damage politicians do to normal people.

That's why dictarioships are most secretive... politicians can do what the hell they want without any harm from the public only from fellow politicians.

they can also look at your hands without problem.

In society where politicians every move is watched, recorded ability to screw people is hindered. They also cannot look at common folks hands as they would have no ability to use that information to benefit themselves.


That's why your argument fails.