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my name is grompy catte: I made the sign maker take his sign home with him.
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LootHunter: Excuse me?
*yawn*

Is that seriously all you've got?

I said "Take your sign with you, if you don't then I'll throw it away". Not quite the "gotcha" you were implying.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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my name is grompy catte: "gotcha"
Please, tell me Noel Edmonds has NOT joined the forum!
This situation is really baffling...

a modder makes a mod that substitutes a potentially politicized flag for a non-political flag.

There was no profanity, hate speech, or violence involved... simply the swapping of a flag...

... and yet the repercussions have been extreme.

Removal of the mod and lifetime banning of the creator.

And then Nexus Mods releases statements that knee-caps any potential discussion of the situation.

Now, if the creator had made a mod that added offensive, derogatory, or threatening language to the game -- or somehow promoted overt violence against a class (although how GTA mods could exist on NM I'm uncertain) -- I could understand potential removal of the mod (alongside full explanation for removal), but it was none of these things... and yet Nexus Mods removed both the mod and the creator from the site (forever)!

I do not advocate for either hate speech or violence, but this situation was neither.

If private companies want to act as political radicals and "thought police" -- effectively committing suicide -- sobeit.

Modding will probably benefit by returning to decentralization.
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my name is grompy catte: "gotcha"
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Sachys: Please, tell me Noel Edmonds has NOT joined the forum!
*shudder*
The funny thing is my criticism of of Nexus and other internet companies isn't based on some idea of freedom of speech but instead it is the corruption of business or being used as a vector to attack their customers and users.

I found a video from shortfatotaku which gives a brief histroy of nexus and some of this controversey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAx0i5Ldc4

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randomuser.833: https://xkcd.com/1357/
That retarded web comic is so wrong it literally has loads of websites debunking it like this one for example.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190323083203/https://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/

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paladin181: This is the equivalent of saying that you allow people to put some signs in your yard.
Your yard isn't a business that's encouraged the public to put their game mods there and then changed the terms afterwords on what looks like someone elses say so.

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paladin181: Whether or not the sign is illegal is not the point. Let's say it says you molest children. Or whatever. The point is, you don't want the sign on your lawn.

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You want to disqualify my example because the premise of the sign is illegal? Well, let's disqualify yours since race is a protected status against discrimination. And race was never even brought into the equation to begin with.
Your first example is libelous so it could get removed for that reason.
For the second point we could look at youtube removing Russian channels which should have been prevented under equality laws until official sanctions were brought in as Europe treats nationalities like race but in this instance wasn't.
Which ironically supports my point.

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AWG43: Lies about modification being against inclusivity and/or diversity, like it did something wrong with any in-game character's representation or did harm to any living person.

Some people claim that the modification only changes the regional code to the Arabic / Middle Eastern, so the game itself do all the tricks. Which appears to be at the same level of bullshit as the Nexus mods statement.

Anyway, this little incident causes too much noise over nothing significant.
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my name is grompy catte: Apart from the fact they don't need to justify their opinion on what they're willing to host or not, the agenda of the mod is clear however the result is achieved.
Yes they do, because that is part of their business.This isn't a "freedom of speech" issue. They could literally be dragged into arbitration and be forced to "justify their opinion".

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amok: A woman arrested for 34 years in Saudi Arabia over a tweet about womens rights that she posted while studing in the UK.

Freedom of speech is the right to express your oppinion without fear of prosecution from the govenrment. It is not the right to have your shit hosted by anyone, nor the right for it to be seen by anyone.
UK countries literally do the same thing and you're yet another person with the wrong idea about freedom of speech or whatever else you might call it.

As for the posters below,stop shitting up the thread. This is about business not reeeeing about your favourite bogeymen.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post18
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post19
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post21
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post22
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post31
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post51
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post68
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/another_reason_why_nexus_mods_sucks/post101

Also I suspect there are those fiddling with the negative functioning rep to block high ratings they don't like.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by §pec†re
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StingingVelvet: This is the new standard thought among US conservatives. The governor of Florida even passed a law to stop sites like Twitter from banning conservatives (which was quickly blocked by courts). They can't win a free market over, so they want to force people to host their shit.
I had a quick look at the law which seems common sense and backs up what should have been enforced in the first place.
It is quite ironic that these activist judges have misused the 1st amendment to harm citizens free speech while simultaneously breaking the 1st amendment themselves with their own actions.
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randomuser.833: https://xkcd.com/1357/
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§pec†re: That retarded web comic is so wrong it literally has loads of websites debunking it like this one for example.
It is very true about what is behind the law and how people "take" it.

They think it is about everybody (read I) can say everything everywhere and nobody is allowed to do anything against it. Not only that, they HAVE to give me the stage to say it.
Usually those people cry the loudest, when somebody says something against them. And yes, those are mostly right wingers and very often not even from the USA...

The law itself (aka the First Amendment) is very clear and easy to read.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

It is only about what the government of the USA is not allowed to do.
It is only about the relationship between the government of the USA and only the people of the USA through the laws the government of the USA is allowed (or not allowed) to pass.

Private companies have nothing to do with it and if you are not a citizen of the USA it has nothing to do with you at all.

Yes, other countries got free speech laws too.
But there is no country I know where any private organisation or company has no domestic authority.
Well, maybe in dictatorships, where no free speech is there anyway.

There may be some restrictions, but mostly juristic and real persons are very free about their contracts with each other.
So yeah, while nobody will stopp you from hosting your shit on your own, nobody is forced to do it for you.
Post edited August 22, 2022 by randomuser.833
People need to realize they won't stop with the right wing.
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§pec†re: I had a quick look at the law which seems common sense and backs up what should have been enforced in the first place.
It is quite ironic that these activist judges have misused the 1st amendment to harm citizens free speech while simultaneously breaking the 1st amendment themselves with their own actions.
Free speech means the government can't control your speech. The government forcing Twitter to host things it doesn't want to host is the exact opposite of free speech.
I see the OP is now complaining a thread they made to force their politics into the forum is not going their way and they respond with the whole "reee" thing.

Well done!
Holy shit. can we lock this topic already. jesus Christ! I havent seen this much toxicity on this game forum in years. Yea Im a conservative but can we please just talk about games, FOR GOD SAKES!!
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Sachys: I see the OP is now complaining a thread they made to force their politics into the forum is not going their way and they respond with the whole "reee" thing.

Well done!
The guthries guitar would probably go for you first. :P



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randomuser.833: It is very true about what is behind the law and how people "take" it.

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Private companies have nothing to do with it and if you are not a citizen of the USA it has nothing to do with you at all.
I'm not sure if you have understood the main point of that and other websites debunking the XKCD comic plus you were the one who posted it even though my thread was dealing with a British business.

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StingingVelvet: Free speech means the government can't control your speech. The government forcing Twitter to host things it doesn't want to host is the exact opposite of free speech.
It can if it has to do that to force them do their jobs properly.You can call it consumer protection.
I heard this new law was making it easier for people to hold twitter and other companies to account and put the liability on them if they ban or block accounts so it's the government AKA the courts which are interfering to protect twitter against the interests of the people.
So the next time they try banning people by abusing their terms which is what happened with the NPC meme or kyles lawyer, the intent of the state law would be to prevent that. Do you have the entire law in full to see if I have got the right idea??
What was different when Trump said they were going to take action against Tiktok?

Coincidentally Poland was meant to be making a law for something similar.
A few other English speaking countries are doing the opposite,aiming to pass laws to threaten these companies to censor what's on social media.
How do Americans deal with that when a country like Britain or foreign investors like the rich middle easterner for twitter, dictate what they can say?
Post edited August 22, 2022 by §pec†re
General warning to everyone in this thread not to engage in blatantly political discussion. Locking it.