So they learned absolutely nothing from the Game Maker and Sonic Gather Battle fiascoes?

Should I even bother using my legally purchased Steam copy of Clickteam Fusion or simply demand a refund?

I don't need any more frustration(s) in my life. >_<

*watches a few kitten videos to calm down*

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Yeah, two wrongs don't make a right.

Still, in everyday life, we normally accept some degree of vigilantism. But only if the vigilant crime is less severe than the crime it is fighting. That's not the case here, and it is also way premeditated.

Then you clearly no nothing of the law. The first thing any plaintiff must allege is actual harm to himself. Until you can explain how an inactive piece of code does actual harm to a legitimate user, then that case would be thrown out before in even goes to court.

I just love all the "internet" lawyers we have on these forums. How's that class-action lawsuit against GoG going over Mystery Boxes and gambling. The burden on proof is on the plaintiff to show harm. Not on the developer to show the software routine lacks bugs which is an impossible task. Try suing an automaker over some unknown defect and trying to get them to prove in court that their car is actually safe.

I get it. You hate DRM of all sorts.

As to real.geizterfahr, we aren't talking about 2 things. Imagine a thief breaking into a home with a freshly waxed kitchen, claiming the owner didn't post a sign warning him before he slipped and fell. In this case, people are alleging "malware" whose sole purpose is to gather identifying information in which to sue pirates. The only harm to the pirate is that his identity is revealed and leads him to court over his piracy. No court is going to take his side. Unless the harm is disproportionate to the crime he committed (like an electrocution trap set in one's home to catch thieves), no court is going to reward him.

This isn't about DRM though, it's about malware being knowingly placed on users machines. I was under the impression that that was simply illegal.

You have no clue what you are talking about...as usual. Define how this is malware? Show me the laws and precedents and how this becomes illegal? There are plenty of pieces of software which cleaners claim as malware but are coming from legitimate companies with a business address. Is Bing bar malware? Some consider it such, but that doesn't make it illegal.

How about first, telling me what information the software is actually gathering? Oh right, you do not know...but you take some pirate's word on the matter...

I said I was under the impression, not that I knew better. And "as usual"? Did I do something to you in the past to make you into an unpleasant person or is your bile just plentiful and undirected?

I just checked, and It looks like the US does has some laws protecting the right to privacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_laws_of_the_United_States

FOR NOW

Seriously, continue with your insults and show what a loser you really are...

Because I posed the question about what exactly constitutes malware. Explained a bit about legal system basics and let's see...

Your contribution to the discussion "malware" "malware" "malware" and then insinuating how I'm unpleasant and bile. Go piss off, jerk...

Just not Rest of World's...

Case in point! It's ok, I understand it's nothing personal.

a case like this would just as likely be a bench trial

That's a bullshit comparison since it's not against the law to wax the kitchen in your house without putting any warning signs. Infesting computers with malware and stealing personal data IS against the law. And that's the sole fact that counts.

It probably won't even get him to court since the information about his identiy was obtained illegaly. I don't know how it is in the US, but over here in Europe you can't get information illegaly to use it as a proof in a court case. It'll be rejected by the judge.

We're not talking about "taking his side" or "rewarding him". If a pirate sues the dev about the malware (he'll have to admit his piracy to do that), the pirate will get penalized for copyright infringement (if the dev decides to sue him) in one trial and the dev will be penalized for hacking and stealing personal data in another trial. That's exactly what "two independent cases" means.

don't worry, it is just how he behaves to everyone. he is incapable of having a conversation lasting longer than two posts without throwing insults, especially if you do not 100% agree to his first post.... and it is your fault.