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General discussionDRM is bad, but this takes it to the next level. Flight sim company adds Malware as "DRM"(186 posts)(186 posts)
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Posted February 21, 2018
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RWarehall: You seem to have an overly high regard for supposed governmental "privacy rights".
As I mentioned I have to do with it every day working for the government.

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RWarehall: It's funny especially since the EU are the ones which required online stores to use Geo location on their users so that EU taxes go to the right place.
The IP of every user is automatically transmitted so others will get it everytime you don't use a VPN. No privacy breach in reading an IP transmitted openly.

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RWarehall: It's also Germany with the strict age requirements for games, which presumably stores must check individuals IDs to buy games.
It's up to you if you show those credential necessary for buying such games online or offline. There are enough games (and movies) available without having the need to prove your age at all.

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RWarehall: Getting an IP address, then sending a subpoena to the service provided has been used many times before. In fact, even VPNs have been given a subpoena in some cases, revealing who used their service especially in the cases of terrorism. Whether a small company really benefits by jumping through all these hoops is another question...
Even in case of terrorism this is sill a controversial topic (at least in Germany). And we are not at all talking about a threat to citizens here we are talking about theft at best.

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RWarehall: And for the record, no one has to prove anything 100% for a court case. I don't know where all of you get that from. To start a court case, a plaintiff in almost every country needs to show reasonable cause. I'm pretty sure that a pirated copy phoning home from a specific IP meets that criteria.
And still they would have to provide any proof that the copy in question in fact is a pirated copy. I still wonder how they would do this with a database they built on their own using a software they developed by their own.
Post edited February 21, 2018 by MarkoH01
Posted February 21, 2018
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RWarehall: [...]
Every single one of you jerks downvoting me for stating my opinion are showing exactly what jerks you all are. So many of you jump into a conversation just to cause trouble. GoG ought to warn and ban the lot of you losers.
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oh, get over yourself. votes and reps have absolutely zero meaning, and mean shit to anyone. just don't care about it and life gets much easier. personally I use and addon which has removed rep and votes, I just don't see it at all anymore... so... *shrug* and the internet has not imploded.

Stop caring about non-essential gimmicks and loosen up a bit, it will only do you good.

I also bet the posts of your which are downovted would be the ones where you attack the posters in some way or another. If so, then maybe that's a hint on how to avoid getting downvoted in the future?

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On topic - do people remember the Serious Sam 3 Pink Scorpion DRM, that was fun.

edit -ohh.. And Game Dev Tycoon where cracked copied can make any in-game profit as the game they make gets pirated :)
Post edited February 21, 2018 by amok
Posted February 21, 2018
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nightcraw1er.488: Is it an online only game this one?
Not sure if you;re actually asking or not but just in case....

The "program" in question is an addon.

It's actually an Airbus A320-X jumbo jet you can load and fly within Microsoft’s Flight Simulator X.

A quick google doesn't show anything about FS being online all the time.

Of course the dump program could be running and sending data more than once.

Part of me is surprised to see Microsoft not say anything about this.
Post edited February 21, 2018 by drmike
Posted February 22, 2018
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nightcraw1er.488: Is it an online only game this one?
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drmike: Not sure if you;re actually asking or not but just in case....

The "program" in question is an addon.

It's actually an Airbus A320-X jumbo jet you can load and fly within Microsoft’s Flight Simulator X.

A quick google doesn't show anything about FS being online all the time.

Of course the dump program could be running and sending data more than once.

Part of me is surprised to see Microsoft not say anything about this.
So, as I say then, just pull the cable out the back and jobs a goddun. They can't extract anything if your not connected.
Posted February 22, 2018
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drmike: Not sure if you;re actually asking or not but just in case....

The "program" in question is an addon.

It's actually an Airbus A320-X jumbo jet you can load and fly within Microsoft’s Flight Simulator X.

A quick google doesn't show anything about FS being online all the time.

Of course the dump program could be running and sending data more than once.

Part of me is surprised to see Microsoft not say anything about this.
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nightcraw1er.488: So, as I say then, just pull the cable out the back and jobs a goddun. They can't extract anything if your not connected.
Going to stay disconnected forever? You don't know if it has a phone home routine or what. The thing may not just phone home when the game is running.
Posted February 22, 2018
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nightcraw1er.488: So, as I say then, just pull the cable out the back and jobs a goddun. They can't extract anything if your not connected.
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paladin181: Going to stay disconnected forever? You don't know if it has a phone home routine or what. The thing may not just phone home when the game is running.
Either that or pretend you're an airline who refuses to fly Airbus. :)

Google failed to find me one of those and thought I was looking for recent orders of Airbus planes.
Posted February 22, 2018
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nightcraw1er.488: The funny thing is this will, as always with drm, is that this will only affect paying customers. Hackers will just dump this out as fast as any drm and the game will run far better. Paying customers will get a sub par experience, possible system integrity failure, fraud etc. All for wanting to support the developer and provide them with some money. *slow clapping* well done that company.
A tale as old as time.
Posted February 22, 2018
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amok: oh, get over yourself. votes and reps have absolutely zero meaning, and mean shit to anyone. just don't care about it and life gets much easier. personally I use and addon which has removed rep and votes, I just don't see it at all anymore... so... *shrug* and the internet has not imploded.

Stop caring about non-essential gimmicks and loosen up a bit, it will only do you good.

I also bet the posts of your which are downovted would be the ones where you attack the posters in some way or another. If so, then maybe that's a hint on how to avoid getting downvoted in the future?
You need to get over yourself dim-witted moron. Yet another hypocritical jerk telling others how rep doesn't matter when you have no friggin clue about the ill-effects of negative rep. How posts frequently won't post when you fail to realize you quoted someone who posted a link. The inability to post links, and how you become a 2nd-class citizen here. And all because some scamming jerks, identity politics retards, and moralistic hypocrites downvote posts for asinine reasons.

But self-centered people like you just love to talk down to others...

Oh, I love the way you post again in the thread to insult me, but try to cover it up with something which is only tangentially on topic. Piss off troll!
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MarkoH01: And still they would have to provide any proof that the copy in question in fact is a pirated copy. I still wonder how they would do this with a database they built on their own using a software they developed by their own.
I would think the fact that the given user is using the same serial code found in the pirated copy coming from Pirate Bay would be enough. Especially since a legitimate user is presumably given their own unique serial code.
Post edited February 22, 2018 by RWarehall
Posted February 22, 2018
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RWarehall: I would think the fact that the given user is using the same serial code found in the pirated copy coming from Pirate Bay would be enough. Especially since a legitimate user is presumably given their own unique serial code.
You presume much, but there's no more evidence to this claim than any others at this point.
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nightcraw1er.488: Is it an online only game this one?
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drmike: Not sure if you;re actually asking or not but just in case....

The "program" in question is an addon.

It's actually an Airbus A320-X jumbo jet you can load and fly within Microsoft’s Flight Simulator X.

A quick google doesn't show anything about FS being online all the time.

Of course the dump program could be running and sending data more than once.

Part of me is surprised to see Microsoft not say anything about this.
I think they're stuck between trying to decide if they should praise them for adding another level of insecurity or shutting down their website for distributing malware. I'm anxious to see their response, but not expecting much.
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MarkoH01: The question remains if they would get one because they would have to prove 100% that the IP in question did actually use or shared a pirtted version. I highly doubt they will be able to do this with a database they made on their own. It'S really difficut to get such order because of the privacy rights being regarded as being extremely important.

(For the record: I did not downvote you)
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RWarehall: You seem to have an overly high regard for supposed governmental "privacy rights". It's funny especially since the EU are the ones which required online stores to use Geo location on their users so that EU taxes go to the right place. It's also Germany with the strict age requirements for games, which presumably stores must check individuals IDs to buy games.

Getting an IP address, then sending a subpoena to the service provided has been used many times before. In fact, even VPNs have been given a subpoena in some cases, revealing who used their service especially in the cases of terrorism. Whether a small company really benefits by jumping through all these hoops is another question...

And for the record, no one has to prove anything 100% for a court case. I don't know where all of you get that from. To start a court case, a plaintiff in almost every country needs to show reasonable cause. I'm pretty sure that a pirated copy phoning home from a specific IP meets that criteria.
Let us say that I am a secretary for a company of criminal defense lawyers. Say the lawyers are all notorious for defending murderers who are caught dead to rights. Now, does that somehow discredit me if I say i think murder is wrong?
Post edited February 22, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted February 22, 2018
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KasperHviid: [...]Privacy is a basic human right, not a privilege you have to do anything to deserve. [...]
I'm guessing you've never been to america, have you? In america, only the filthy rich have rights. First-hand experience talking (don't ask).
Posted February 22, 2018
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Alarus-Sarthes: [...] I'm also curious what you mean by 'Pepperidge Farm'? The only Pepperidge Farm I know of is the snack-foods company.
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kohlrak: Same company. It's a meme.
Funny! :D Yeah, if anyone remembers the good old days, it would be Pepperidge Farm, one of the oldest companies in america. We'd better quit talking about them; I'm starting to get hungry for some Goldfish and Milano cookies...
Posted February 22, 2018
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amok: oh, get over yourself. votes and reps have absolutely zero meaning, and mean shit to anyone. just don't care about it and life gets much easier. personally I use and addon which has removed rep and votes, I just don't see it at all anymore... so... *shrug* and the internet has not imploded.

Stop caring about non-essential gimmicks and loosen up a bit, it will only do you good.

I also bet the posts of your which are downovted would be the ones where you attack the posters in some way or another. If so, then maybe that's a hint on how to avoid getting downvoted in the future?
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RWarehall: You need to get over yourself dim-witted moron. Yet another hypocritical jerk telling others how rep doesn't matter when you have no friggin clue about the ill-effects of negative rep. How posts frequently won't post when you fail to realize you quoted someone who posted a link. The inability to post links, and how you become a 2nd-class citizen here. And all because some scamming jerks, identity politics retards, and moralistic hypocrites downvote posts for asinine reasons.

But self-centered people like you just love to talk down to others...

Oh, I love the way you post again in the thread to insult me, but try to cover it up with something which is only tangentially on topic. Piss off troll!
actually, I did not insult you anywhere in that post - it was advice freely given, do with it is as you like.
Posted February 22, 2018
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KasperHviid: [...]Privacy is a basic human right, not a privilege you have to do anything to deserve. [...]
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Alarus-Sarthes: I'm guessing you've never been to america, have you? In america, only the filthy rich have rights. First-hand experience talking (don't ask).
Only if you're white male. If you're non-white, non-asian, and/or female, that also gets you somewhere, but only if the situation involves someone lower on the hierarchy. For example, hispanic males are high on the hierarchy, while white women are low on the hierarchy, so rape and murder charges don't normally apply.
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kohlrak: Same company. It's a meme.
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Alarus-Sarthes: Funny! :D Yeah, if anyone remembers the good old days, it would be Pepperidge Farm, one of the oldest companies in america. We'd better quit talking about them; I'm starting to get hungry for some Goldfish and Milano cookies...
i miss goldfish.
Post edited February 22, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted February 22, 2018
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nightcraw1er.488: So, as I say then, just pull the cable out the back and jobs a goddun. They can't extract anything if your not connected.
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paladin181: Going to stay disconnected forever? You don't know if it has a phone home routine or what. The thing may not just phone home when the game is running.
Indeed that is a possibility. It's why in the future I would see myself having 2 machines, one specifically "dead" one which is rarely connected, has no identifiable information, minimum install, and some sort of file tracking. Well, saying that I have no interest in flight at all, but eventually this is what will be needed if games by then are even available outside some Fort Knox like structure where you stream from.
Posted February 22, 2018
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RWarehall: GoG ought to warn and ban the lot of you losers.
Said the guy who's insulting everyone here for quite a few years already...
Post edited February 22, 2018 by real.geizterfahr
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General discussionDRM is bad, but this takes it to the next level. Flight sim company adds Malware as "DRM"(186 posts)(186 posts)
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