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Navagon: Wow. They've really changed and learned from their mistakes, haven't they? :P
Yeah, either total avoidance or buying for �3 like I did with the original through Steam.
I just hope they don't pull this kind of shit with Mafia 2. I'm looking forward to that one.

SAME! I really really want to play Mafia 2, far more than BS2.
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bansama: If B1 is anything to go by, SecuROM will be removed within 6 months and it's likely that the limits on GFWL will also be removed around the same time. Either way, I really couldn't care. It's not going to deter me from getting and enjoying the game now.

Securom wasn't removed. The activations were changed to unlimited, but you still need to be online when installing to a) activate with serial and b) download file thing that lets you play. And it still has the disk check.
AFAIK, the GFW limit cannot be removed. Microsoft have two types of GFW DRM, one where the game can be used by different GFW accounts but with a limit of 15, the other where you have unlimited installs but it's tied to the same GFW account like Steam.
Post edited January 25, 2010 by Lucibel
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Lucibel: Securom wasn't removed. The activations were changed to unlimited, but you still need to be online when installing to a) activate with serial and b) download file thing that lets you play. And it still has the disk check.

SecuROM was removed entirely from the Steam version.
As for the retail version, there's a "patch" to get around the SecuROM.
Post edited January 25, 2010 by bansama
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Lucibel: SAME! I really really want to play Mafia 2, far more than BS2.

Unless New Vegas is pulled out of nowhere (and I'm kind of hoping it isn't given Obsidian's track record of rushing things) Mafia 2 could well be game of the year for me. And this is looking set to be one hell of a year for gaming. I loved the original Mafia and this one is looking to be even better.
Borderlands escaped with reasonable DRM. So we can only hope that 2K's DRM overkill only comes into play with the Bioshock games.
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Fenixp: So, they're using Steam, SecuRom AND GFWL DRM? Wow, that's ... What DO they have instead of brains, really?

Heh, imagine what it was like when I bought GTA IV on Steam... SecuRom, Steam, GFWL and Rockstar Social Club. A horrendous visage of regurgitated DRM code splattered like the wet intestines blown out through a codemonkey's ear.
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Glexn: Meh, I don't really care about DRM. The only issue I had with it was with Mass Effect not activating, and to fix that I just had to End Task it and start again.

My copy of Spore refused to activate, because EA had forgotten to register the Galactic Edition serials with SecuROM. All I had to do was send a couple of futile emails to EA support, laugh at the ridiculous form letters they sent back with completely irrelevant suggestions and demands for personal information they had no possible use for, complain loudly on the Spore forum along with all the others who'd paid extra for the Galactic Edition only to get shafted by EA for it, and eventually, after just 3 or 4 days, I got to play the game... Which then turned out to suck of course, since they'd lobotomized it completely in order to appeal to 13-year-old girls.
It'd be cool if the new form of DRM was what Batman did where it just makes the game unbeatable...lol. Unless it happened to legitimate users of course. Wierdo DRM like Securom and stuff just doesn't work, and never does, and causes problems for real users. It's be cool if they could all accept that. GFWL could just say hey, no achievements or logging into Live for you or something. I dunno.
CrunchGear calls it madness . . . =)
Cycle seems to be release a game with absurd DRM, scale it back, release absurd DRM, scale it back, each time scaling it back less than the time before. Before long absurd DRM will be the norm . . .=)
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phrequencyviii: It'd be cool if the new form of DRM was what Batman did where it just makes the game unbeatable...lol.

Batman also included SecuROM install limits and GFWL. People seem to have missed that.
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phrequencyviii: It'd be cool if the new form of DRM was what Batman did where it just makes the game unbeatable...lol.
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Navagon: Batman also included SecuROM install limits and GFWL. People seem to have missed that.

Really? Yeah, I never even heard about that, lol. I just thought it was really funny that he couldn't glide.
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phrequencyviii: It'd be cool if the new form of DRM was what Batman did where it just makes the game unbeatable...lol.
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Navagon: Batman also included SecuROM install limits and GFWL. People seem to have missed that.

I don't think it had GFW activations though.
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phrequencyviii: Really? Yeah, I never even heard about that, lol. I just thought it was really funny that he couldn't glide.

To be fair, that wasn't the DRM (as most people would consider it). PhysX wasn't properly initialized/installed in the pre-patched version. So it was just a really buggy game that had a 0-day patch (EA does that a lot, I think).
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michaelleung: I don't think it had GFW activations though.

Most if not all GFWL titles have MS DRM that was supposed to be removed. Publishers who have used GFWL apparently didn't know about it. Hopefully it will be removed completely.
"GateShock 2: Sea of Dreamgates" PC DRM Plans Scaled Back. ;)

Haha, I got the joke there.
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michaelleung: Haha, I got the joke there.

I liked it, too. :)
And I like titles with more personality, not this generic thing as "game 1", "game 2" and so on. Give us a subtitle at least.
"Plan An Escape, Mel Torme", lol