Liberty: Did the world really need another movie about Lincoln?

Liberty: Your instincts are right. Lincoln certainly was no saint. MLK Jr. certainly wasn't either. He was a blatant plaguerist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._authorship_issues

The people who move civilization are not politicians. They are the scientists, engineers, inventors, and entrepreneurs. Our standard of living depends on them.

I love to show a letter John Locke once wrote to the Irish parliament telling them to allow child labor. Why would the inventor of the Rights of Man do that? He was traveling and saw that Irish children were starving unless they be allowed to work (the child labor laws were killing these kids).

The point is that the politicians can do things that are already done. As for Lincoln, the American Civil War is best described as the Industrial North Versus the Feudalistic South. It is the North's industry that made that happen. It is also that industrialization that freed slaves. The North certainly loved to profit from South's slavery when shipping cotton out on maritime trade. But when was the last time you saw a celebration or an inquiring into the Industrial Revolution?

I'm beginning to think that knowledge should be divided by political knowledge to determine 'smart'. The more political knowledge one knows, the stupider one actually is. Imagine if Spielberg made a movie highlighting an engineer or inventor or something? Did the world really need another movie about Lincoln?

Elmofongo: I understand what you are saying but I think people are being to hard on Government, without law and order there is chaos we be still living in small tribes and huts without strong government.

Liberty: Consider what John Adams said: I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

When was the last time you saw a politician have the skills to be an engineer, the mind to be a scientist, or the fortitude to be an entrepreneur? People go into politics because they are worthless.

But no one wants to be worthless. Everyone wants to be 'great'. Since they have been raised watching movies such as this Lincoln and reading about MLK Jr. and other characters, they attempt to emulate them. They try to give 'I have a dream' speeches or civil disobedience (for something) not because of any social need but because they don't want to look at the mirror and see a worthless person stare back. Society doesn't need more laws, it does need more scientists, engineers, business builders, and inventors. However, since we have so much entertainment and education surrounding these 'great politicians', we run into a cycle where worthless people attempt to emulate a politician in order to be 'worthy'. Just imagine if the engineers, scientists, business builders were given the focus instead.

Shakespeare kept mocking Alexander the Great at every opportunity he had. Since education revolved about 'the greatness of Rome', worthless people tried to find worth by emulating the ancient Romans and trying to be like Alexander the Great. Hitler comes to mind.

Elmofongo: May I ask would you go as far as saying we can live without government?

Skunk: It's easier to answer that by asking "can we live with it?"

Liberty: Consider what John Adams said: I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

When was the last time you saw a politician have the skills to be an engineer, the mind to be a scientist, or the fortitude to be an entrepreneur? People go into politics because they are worthless.

But no one wants to be worthless. Everyone wants to be 'great'. Since they have been raised watching movies such as this Lincoln and reading about MLK Jr. and other characters, they attempt to emulate them. They try to give 'I have a dream' speeches or civil disobedience (for something) not because of any social need but because they don't want to look at the mirror and see a worthless person stare back. Society doesn't need more laws, it does need more scientists, engineers, business builders, and inventors. However, since we have so much entertainment and education surrounding these 'great politicians', we run into a cycle where worthless people attempt to emulate a politician in order to be 'worthy'. Just imagine if the engineers, scientists, business builders were given the focus instead.

Shakespeare kept mocking Alexander the Great at every opportunity he had. Since education revolved about 'the greatness of Rome', worthless people tried to find worth by emulating the ancient Romans and trying to be like Alexander the Great. Hitler comes to mind.

Mervert: I think I'm a Saint.