A saint is someone who is exceptionally (not perfectly) holy or virtuous. If people had to be perfect to be a saint, then nobody would be one. Everyone has their flaws, and most people are somewhere in the middle, but there are always outliers that are exceptional.

"You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, its the honest ones you have to look out for, cause you never know when they're going to do something incredibly stupid."

Dude u watched the wrong Lincoln movie, there is only one true Lincoln movie and thats Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter , the fact about his life and the corrupted world we live in

Saint or not, I do tip my hat for the japanese monk Ryokan (1758–1831).

Every human is flawed. It makes me laugh when anyone is held up as some kind of impeccable moral saint.

Actually thinking over it again, there's one true "saint of the moment" -> http://www.brewdog.com/beer/5am-saint

Now thats a real saver.

Ashoka comes pretty close...

Technically being a saints does not need to be perfect, important. It's about his relationship to god and to the people. Canonized are more or less only the saints that become public, but I think there are a lot of saints in our every day live.
I vouch for the mothers, who give birth to a child, care for them and who would even give their live for thei baby. I vouch for the streetworkers, who try to help beggars to stand up again. I vouch for the holy men, who show others how to live with god. I'm sure we could find a lot of examples of real saints not only in history, maybe we have already met a saint in our life.
All people are sinners, even saints. This is also something we should remember. But god has the power to free us from our sins and through this people are becoming saints. Thats my point of view.

Oscar Wilde, patron saint of lovers.


Favourite canonical saints:

Saint Francis of Assisi
Saint James the Greater
Joan of Arc


Patron saints (according to Wikipedia):

Luke the Evangelist
Raphael the Archangel
Cosmas and Damian
Sebaldus
Boniface
Saint James the Greater
Saint Valentine


Someone should make a thread.

You forgot Saint Hubbins, the paitron saint of quality footware.

Nobody except me.

Those words are from a political debate. They don't prove Lincoln didn't believe in the equality between white and black; they merely prove that Lincoln's listeners didn't believe in it, and Lincoln, like all good politicians, said what his listeners wanted to hear.

Lincoln believed in the fundamental equality of all men yet he also believed (I don't have the exact quotes but I can probably dig them up as I have a 'Lincoln Library' inside of the 'Lincoln Room' of my B&B) that black men may not be on a par with white men in terms of intellectual capability. As far as his belief that all men are created equal, this was unwavering in his opinion and that had an air of nobility to it no doubt.

Side note; if that "Lincoln room/library" bit sounded like I was being a prude, I assure you I did not mean too. I only meant to show that my entire life I have been surrounded by this stuff. There has never been a book about or refering to Lincoln that my mother does not have or at one time have. And yes, that can be REALLY annoying growing up as a kid in that sort of atmosphere, but now it's kind of cool. I don't even mind sharing the name anymore.

I actually very much dislike the words "sin" and "holy". Then again, I also dont see "good" and "evil" quite as fixed either.

Ofcourse the word "saint" is very much tied to this, if you consider it strictly from christian point of view. But to me saint's meaning is a bit more broad and ambiguous - virtuousness, skillfulness, dutifulness and truly dedicating ones life for something (religious or not) come to mind.

People weren't saints but maybe some did much more good than they did bad. Heroes in a way. However I doubt the historical correctness of a Hollywood movie.

That sounds like Martin Luther King Jr. so what if he had extramarital affairs, whats important was the Civil Rights movement.