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bansama: But again, Steam is not kickstarter. It shouldn't be used as such. It's just a normal store and content should be priced accordingly. They may have 8144 people who paid $90 each on Kickstarter, but how many do you think will do the same on Steam?
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Adzeth: Luckily they've explained the whole thing on the store page. It is completely optional, and the chances are that they're not trying to make a million dollars with the alpha access sales on Steam, especially since it's completely possible to preorder the game for $40 even now.

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langurmonkey: Exactly. If I want to donate money, then I go to Kickstarter, not the Steam store. They are asking too much for what they are offering at a store. If the lowest kickstarter option is $1000 for this game, I really don't care because it's a kickstarter option but this is Steam.
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Adzeth: Long ago, in another thread, you were calling people who went against corporations' data and decisions idiots.
The guys behind this game that decided their game is worth $90 right now = a large corporation like EA? No. And I never said, turning Steam into a 2nd Kickstarter is not profitable. It just pisses me off. It makes total sense from a Ferengi point of view to make some $$$ from the people who love supporting games.
Post edited June 14, 2013 by langurmonkey
I don't care if they had a kickstarter or not.

The ENTIRE POINT of "Early adopters" is that the people who buy the game help the developer and (generally) in return they get the game for a cheaper price then retail.

You are basically helping support the developer to finish the game and in return they allow you to buy it cheapeer.

This is how Steam early access games usually are. IT isn't kickstarter, it's not "Crowd funding" a game, it's pre-buying a game BEFORE IT'S FINISHED and understanding that, but also the developer understnaidng because it's not finished and you want to help them, they in-turn help you by offering the game at a discount.

I remember Mount and Blade, I bought that game at FIVE DOLLARS, and over the years since I bought it they constantly built the game up and because I had helped support them so early in development that five bucks I put down? It was the price I paid for every new patch, every new update, the full game and everything.


If you want limited people to test the alpha of your game, don't offer it for sale and actually get people by you know...applications and those who understand what an alpha is.

This kind of thing will HURT the game, not help it, because many people that missed out on the kickstarter or would like to have helped them develop the game further, would have EASILY plopped down 15-20 bucks for the early access game, but no way in hell am I paying 90 for it, nor does anyone I know that would be interested in an RTS like TA and missed the KS either.
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langurmonkey: The guys behind this game that decided their game is worth $90 right now
The lowest Kickstarter price for the game was $15.
Now you can preorder the game for $40.
You can order the special edition with beta access added for $60.
You can order the special edition with alpha and beta access added for $90.

They're selling the alpha and beta access. There are people who want 'em.
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langurmonkey: The guys behind this game that decided their game is worth $90 right now
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Adzeth: The lowest Kickstarter price for the game was $15.
Now you can preorder the game for $40.
You can order the special edition with beta access added for $60.
You can order the special edition with alpha and beta access added for $90.

They're selling the alpha and beta access. There are people who want 'em.
I did not know this. :( I thought you could only buy the special edition with alpha and beta access for $90.
Post edited June 14, 2013 by langurmonkey
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Adzeth: They're selling the alpha and beta access. There are people who want 'em.
And really, since alpha and beta builds are normally used by developers to troubleshoot and tweak the game, I would think the higher price discourages those who simply want early access and instead markets it to those people who want more involvement beyond simply playing the game, and who will take the time to help playtest and provide that necessary feedback. To me, greed has nothing to do with it.
In Denmark its 82.99 just a small bump in price ;)
Post edited June 14, 2013 by SirEyeball
Why would someone PAY (any amount whatsoever) to test a game is beyond me.
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Dzsono: In the old days you got paid for alpha and beta testing. This marketing at its finest :)

As for unfinished games in general, I stay away from them because I burn out before the final game is released, which is kind of silly, no? :)
This sums it up for me too. Those higher tiers for beta access in Kickstarter projects don't interest me at all either. I haven't bothered with beta access for any of them because I just want the final experience.

I've never been interested in being a beta tester, unless I was paid. Working for free is one of the worst things one can do for one's profession, especially working for free for another business that's planning to make money off your work, unless you need the experience, like an internship. It creates a perpetual cycle with clients. Now people are paying extra over the retail price of the game for the privilege to work? I think that's silly (maybe immoral) but people can do what they want.
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FAButzke: Why would someone PAY (any amount whatsoever) to test a game is beyond me.
I wouldn't do it personally. But, I suppose if you were named in the credits in some way, maybe?
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SirEyeball: In Denmark its 82.99 just a small bump in price ;)
82.99 DKK or EUR ?

Anyway, they give an explanation, being that they charge the alpha at the same rate as their kickstarter. (For info , they raised 2.3 million USD from their kickstarter, )


!Is this a new marketing trends ? Or just plain hubris?
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gibbeynator: At first I thought "Oh wow, Europe is REALLY getting worked over on price this time". Then I checked the store page in my region, and they're charging 90 US dollars for it.
At this price it should be the greatest game of all time. This beats by $10 what I paid to be tester for Elemental. We all know how that half-baked turd turned out. Greed much?

Edit: I have to admit, it does look very good. Good thing there's Steam sales :p
Post edited June 14, 2013 by oldschool
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SirEyeball: In Denmark its 82.99 just a small bump in price ;)
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Phc7006: 82.99 DKK or EUR ?

Anyway, they give an explanation, being that they charge the alpha at the same rate as their kickstarter. (For info , they raised 2.3 million USD from their kickstarter, )

!Is this a new marketing trends ? Or just plain hubris?
Euro
82.99 euros. For an unfinished game.

ROFLMAO
I remember seeing this kick starter.can't rightly recall why I passed on it.isn't it basically a multiplayer game?
I can understand why kick starters offer beta alpha access (I'm using grim dawn alpha at moment). however, 90bucks is exorbitant.price of a AAA title for Aussies at retail store and steam. even the final retail price 40 bucks is a tad high imho
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stonebro: 82.99 euros. For an unfinished game.

ROFLMAO
Multiplay only at that Will not touch that with a pair of tongs