Yeah, I'm not getting excited about it but I think you have a point. Still, when you're trying to get money from people you do what works... that's capitalism 101 I guess. This seemed to work. You wouldn't believe how many people I am seeing on my RPG forums right now bragging and excited because they are in the Shadowrun Returns beta.

And I'm ok with that... I don't criticise people who want to feel elite and pay for it. I'm criticising a company that tries to sound like they are soooo different than greedy capitalist pigs called publishers and then do exactly the same thing.

Or even worse. I can't imagine EA charging 90 bucks for alpha access. (I can imagine the shitstorm if they did)

That's a pretty crappy situation isn't it? Willing to be selective in how we judge developers and publishers because of their status in the community (indie, aaa, AAA etc)

wtf 89$ LOL id rather buy some indie bundles during steam summer sales

Yeah, I treat them all pretty much the same. I don't let indie companies do more shitty stuff just because they're indie.

I don't always blame people for their bad qualities. I don't always blame companies from exploiting such bad qualities. I always condemn people and companies who exploit bad qualities of others and pretend they are doing something else.

...you know, that alpha access kinda -was- one of the high points of kickstarter. if first some people already paid 90+ for alpha (and whatever other bonuses), it would be rather unfair to start selling it later at the lower price than during KS.

I do think that is rather obvious really. had there not been kickstater, it would be ofcourse very different matter in my opinion. Anyways, the kickstater was great success, in case you havent checked the KS page.

You don't BUY ANYTHING on kickstarter.

If you want bo buy games an extras cheaper, maybe kickstarter isn't the best option for you?

Reading the messages here and PA message board, the "want-it-all-now-and-for-free" -attitude is so damned apparent.

Really whats wrong with you people? Alpha access isnt some kind of human right that you get for sure and get for free. Do you alpha and beta test ALL the game you play?

If you cry about the high alpha access cost (and dont forget the KS goodies you got for the price), then why in the nine hells its so damned difficult to just play some other game and buy the PA when its finally released? It wont cost 90usd on release days you know, probably somewhere between 30-50usd which ought to be pretty normal price. Is waiting for official game release somehow too difficult? I am sorry, i dont get it.

Then again, i suppose i am of the older generation who is used to playing complete, finished products - which is also the reason i usually wait for GOTY -releases of games i know will be stuffed with DLC.

Anyways why dont you think of the 90usd alpha access as kinda money protection instead? I mean, now you have less reason to throw money at the game which you have not seen and dont know will you actually like in the end. I am very very much against all the pre-order nonsense in big way actually (btw did anyway pre-order certain Marine -game?). I think this is just one more good reason for people to sit nice and quietly till the game is released and they actually have chance to read a review or two, read community comments and see some finished gameplay in action. Not a bad deal huh?

Why it's so damn difficult to let people who want to criticise to criticise all they want? Why you need to rage? Why can't you just play tyhe damn game?

This attitute "only positive comments are allowed" is really starting to piss me off. And most of you do that mostly because it's an "indie" company.

If it was the newest EA game, you would probably all jump on a hatewagon.

1) Only alpha costs "extra" and thats because of KS.

2) The game will cost regular price.

3) Alpha was one of the big attractions to make people pay more for KS - which in my opinion is totally ok.

4) Lowering the alpha's cost after KS would be less than unfair - some would call it outright cheating.

5) following 4) people would not be so interested in paying for alpha in later KS projects "as youll get it cheper at Steam early access anyways".

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Its all very logical in my eyes. Indie or not. I dont give a crap.

All i see in boards are people crying about price of product that is known for sure to drop down to regular level.

Oh i totally dont mind about people criticizing things - but you have to build your critic on -something-. Atm i am simply reading "oh its so expensive and i want it know". Without proper argumentation to back it up, its called whining you know?

Again. People who use kickstarter as a preorder are doing it wrong.

Also, companies who think it's a cool prize and a sign of "good will" to offer alpha acces for TWICE the amount of basic game, are doing it wrong.

All you build your comments is "people paid more before, so it would be unfair", and that doesn't make much sense, judging from how kickstarter is different from a digital shop. MAybe then people would learn kickstarter is to support devs in the first place, so from there it comes the higher price.

News flash for you - probably everything you "paid for" in kickstarter will be cheaper not so long after release.

Now you're criticizing the critique of your critique. I'm not going to let you do that. Should you do it anyway, I'll start throwing yolos and swags at you. There will be no winners.

I'm saying why I don't like their policy.

Some people are telling me why I should like them for doing so, and that I'm not allowed to dislike them.

It's the same shit like with Shadowrun again. "Well, they never said EVERYTHING is going to be DRM Free, so they have a right to be two-faced douchebags and if you think they are not cool, you're WRONG!".

Grrr... :P

...so youre totally forgeting about the reach goals? No difference whether it reaches the minium of 900k or plus 2M like it did? Like i said, i paid more than the minium to get the actual finished product. Fan of TA and SC etc.

Do tell me what i did wrong?

As i said before - they are not actually required to do any sort of open alpha or beta. Actually, maybe they should have kept them closed to everyone else than KS pledgers and we would have this nonsense arguement about it the first place.

Alpha / Beta access are NOT rights. They are extras.

Kickstarters made this possible. You did not. Atleast this is crystal clear for everyone.

Thats granted. Someone complained about this? I certainly didnt. I -willingly- paid about the regular price of the game, when i could have paid half of it. To SUPPORT the game.

So if you cant come into terms with your impatience, then just start shoveling the money on counter for your dear Alpha. The smarter option would be to wait for the release in my opinion - but its damned silly to except to get discount that Kickstarters did not - while its thanks to THEM that the PA is in the Steam early access in the first place.

...you are aware, that if the 44,162 pledgers hadnt supported PA it wouldnt be there?

That you think by pledging on kickstarter you "paid for the game". This is wrong not only factually but legally as well.