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I wish this guy would just preorder on steam and fuck off already.
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Siannah: On a side note: Galaxy. Scheduled to probably come at the same time as the Witcher 3, which at least would be reasonable to assume so.
Actually since we know Galaxy will work fully with The Witcher Adventure Game (the first game to do so) and that that game is scheduled for release sometime this summer (well beta anyway), we will have access to Galaxy very soon most likely.
Post edited June 09, 2014 by user deleted
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pimpmonkey2382: I wish this guy would just preorder on steam and fuck off already.
Are you mad? You seem mad. Why so mad?
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pimpmonkey2382: I wish this guy would just preorder on steam and fuck off already.
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JKHSawyer: Are you mad? You seem mad. Why so mad?
I'm not mad. Don't assume.
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JKHSawyer: Are you mad? You seem mad. Why so mad?
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pimpmonkey2382: I'm not mad. Don't assume.
Yep. You're mad. So mad.
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pimpmonkey2382: I'm not mad. Don't assume.
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JKHSawyer: Yep. You're mad. So mad.
Nope just annoyed.
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Mromson: Some people play on multiple platforms and stick with the biggest one until the smaller one gains enough traction/features to pull ahead.
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Siannah: The smaller one NEVER gains enough traction / features to pull ahead, as long as the majority sticks with the biggest one - flaw in your logic.
My logic isn't flawed, your perception is. If the smaller platform doesn't conform to offer incentives to switch over to their platform, then people won't switch over because it's simply inconvinient. If people have the choice of buying from one and getting for both, then they're more capable of supporting one platform over the other - and the smaller platform certainly doesn't lose by allowing this, because they're already last in the race.

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Mromson: What you're suggesting is that people who use steam should continue to use steam because they're already locked into the system and should be given no incentive to break out from it.
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Siannah: No, I don't. If you're not happy with GOG / it's features / whatever and think of Steam as so much better, then yes, stick with Steam. There are reasons to consider GOG as better / equal / worse but still a viable option, but I won't tell you how you should feel / think about GOG, Steam or any other platform.
However you now need to tell me where's the incentive to break away from it by handling out free Steam keys....
Because Steam offers automatic updates (and achievements, for those who care), a huge built-in community and GOG doesn't. Steam however doesn't offer DRM-free. You incentivize people to purchase from you, so that when GOG finally has the same features as steam, people will be able to simply switch over because most of their games are already on GOG.

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Mromson: Steam allows publishers/developers an unlimited amount of keys because they know they can easily compete by offering services no one else is offering - and gog, by not giving out steam keys when possible, is simply telling existing steam customers to stick with the old stuff, because the new stuff (ie. GOG) isn't backwards compatible towards other services.
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Siannah: Ironically you failed to mention the "backward compatibility" of Steam. Or Origin. Uplay. Battlenet. Or any other major player.
I'm sorry, I'm supposed to make my point by showing to companies who don't adhere to the golden prospect? Steam is ahead - it's not their job to try and spread out their customer base over to competing platforms. They merely ALLOW it. And GOG is foolishly ignoring said allowance.

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Mromson: While (ironically) Witcher games you buy on Steam can easily be redeemed on gog - so why would you give gog your money? The answer is their DRM policy - which is great, it's why I stick around, but that doesn't mean I'll blindly drum my head against the f'kin bucket whenever anyone raises a finger to point out its flaws (irregardless of whether they're attempting to fix them or not).
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Siannah: This applies to the Witcher 1 and 2. There is NO word (official or not) that this will or might come with the Witcher 3. Fact.
It also wasn't available from release on nor was it communicated at or before release - reason is simple: why buy on GOG when buying on Steam gives me a Steam- AND GOG-version? Fact.
Assuming that it will be the same for the Witcher 3, is just that - an assumption. Fact.
Demanding that it should be handled the same way, only this time from release day on, is beyond unreasonable and flat out stupid. Opinion.

Now please tell me of ANY other example of major players (which neither Humble or any other bundle seller is) that offered that.
If Humble isn't a major player, then no-one but Steam is, which makes your request irrational.

Providing people with Steam keys upon gog.com preorder would solve all of the above issues. Not doing so is foolish, and for the consumer to expect that Witcher 3's keys will work the same way as Witcher 1 & 2 is by no means delirioum, irregardless of current announcements.

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Mromson: And I've already replied as to why contacting support is pointless. Then again, as is apparently poking into this forum, which seems to purely breed uninformed toxic and/or nonsensical replies.
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Siannah: There is no other official answer. There is no other official way.
Which part of it you didn't understood?
I didn't claim to misunderstand that part, I already acknowledged it, for the third time now. Are you expecting different results by repeating yourself?
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Mromson: My logic isn't flawed, your perception is. If the smaller platform doesn't conform to offer incentives to switch over to their platform, then people won't switch over because it's simply inconvinient. If people have the choice of buying from one and getting for both, then they're more capable of supporting one platform over the other - and the smaller platform certainly doesn't lose by allowing this, because they're already last in the race.
If people have the choice of buying on GOG, getting the game on GOG only or buying on Steam, getting the game on Steam and GOG, then is there absolutely no incentive to switch to GOG. Not now nor in the near or distant future. You however firmly defined your role in the market, which boils down to be a Steam key seller.
I'm not going into why this is a bad thing and just throw in that it's against the DRM-free stance GOG took.

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Mromson: Because Steam offers automatic updates (and achievements, for those who care), a huge built-in community and GOG doesn't. Steam however doesn't offer DRM-free. You incentivize people to purchase from you, so that when GOG finally has the same features as steam, people will be able to simply switch over because most of their games are already on GOG.
If DRM-free now isn't enough of a reason, why should they switch once GOG has more features? GOG with DRM-free is frankly put, as far different from each and every other distribution platform as it gets. Automatic updates are coming, achievements are coming, sry no - won't even dare to compare their communities, built-in or not.
They'd still remain on Steam. Because of the bigger catalog, big picture, Steam controller, because it's Steam... no matter what, who's happy now with Steam doesn't have a reason to switch. And owning the same game on Steam and GOG on release, won't change that.

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Mromson: I'm sorry, I'm supposed to make my point by showing to companies who don't adhere to the golden prospect? Steam is ahead - it's not their job to try and spread out their customer base over to competing platforms. They merely ALLOW it. And GOG is foolishly ignoring said allowance.
Right. You just named it. Spreading out your customer base isn't what's keeping people loyal to your service. Why do Sony / Microsoft battle each other with exclusive titles? Why is Battlefield / ME3 / DA2 tied to Origin, AC4 / Watchdogs to UPlay? To draw people in.

Lucky enough, CDPR doesn't feel that's necessary. But for you that's not enough, regardless if it's Steam which is ahead or any other competitor (which you failed to compare to) - nope, you pretty much come over as a spoiled "but I want it on Steeeeaaam!" brat, who thinks he should also get the additional stuff only available if you buy on GOG, trying to rationalise why it's helping GOG, by lacing a better package together for Steam users or adding DRM with Steam keys for GOG users..... ... ... . ... sry, my mind just boggled.

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Mromson: If Humble isn't a major player, then no-one but Steam is, which makes your request irrational.

Providing people with Steam keys upon gog.com preorder would solve all of the above issues. Not doing so is foolish, and for the consumer to expect that Witcher 3's keys will work the same way as Witcher 1 & 2 is by no means delirioum, irregardless of current announcements.
First: Humble is a key seller. Nothing more, nothing less. If you see this as a viable way to COMPETE with Steam or any other platform, do so - I don't.
Second: if you expect that the Witcher 3 will work out the same way as the Witcher 1 and 2, then go ahead and buy it on freakin' Steam and be done with it. Where's the problem? You certainly WON'T get any confirmation from CDPR if that is planned somewhere in the future, as it would take out ANY incentive to buy it on GOG (except for the Steam-haters).

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Mromson: I didn't claim to misunderstand that part, I already acknowledged it, for the third time now. Are you expecting different results by repeating yourself?
No, I expected from you to actually act accordingly by taking the official paths layed and pointed out, as anything none official (which includes the official support) won't cut it for you. Yes, I was that foolish....
Post edited June 10, 2014 by Siannah
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Mromson: I read on steam that Witcher 3 will be available on SteamOS, does that mean that pre-ordering Witcher 3 on gog.com will also grant me Steam keys, or is it better to just buy the game on Steam and then activate it on gog.com?
This SteamOS announcement was never confirmed, and GOG support actually denied that there are such plans for SteamOS release of the Witcher 3.

See the main thread about it.
Post edited July 10, 2014 by shmerl
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Siannah: First: Humble is a key seller. Nothing more, nothing less. If you see this as a viable way to COMPETE with Steam or any other platform, do so - I don't.
Now, that's not entirely true. I'd say that Humble is more than a key seller in that they also sell DRM free versions of many of their games.

The real big question is, why would GOG want to give steam keys at all?

They wouldn't. That's like Imperial Oil giving away Chevron gift cards with a purchase. Doesn't happen. Shouldn't happen.