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General discussionA Hat in Time is the perfect example for why people chose Steam over GOG(66 posts)(66 posts)
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Posted September 14, 2018
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ShadowOwl: Over the years I have seen several users sticking or even switching to Steam because they have noticed how terrible the post-launch support for some GOG games is.
This, IMO, is part of the problem. If someone is pissed off at a company because they don't update their game(s) here on GOG, why reward them by buying the game on Steam? I'd say blacklist that dev and let them know why.
Posted September 14, 2018
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MarkoH01: "Trustworthy" being the keyword here and if they are trustworthy I am all fpor bringing them in. However I wouldn't consider "let's get some money from those stupid GOG customers as well - no need to treat them the same as our valued Steam customers" not trustworthy at all and afaik we are complaining about those only.
We are on the same page here, but some users suggested not to bring any new games at all and I think that would be a loss.
Posted September 14, 2018
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MadalinStroe: I 100% agree with this. It's a mistake for GOG to try to compete with STEAM. They should do their own thing, like they did when they started GOG. They should offer complete/definitive versions of the games, DRM-Free. Games getting patched late, or missing features such as modding tools or daily runs, only draws bad publicity.
Personally I think it was more a question of survival than anything else.

It's nice to be in a niche but it only works if your niche is actually... a niche.

What I mean by that is that when Gog started nobody really cared about old games and there was no legal way to get most of them, not to mention that it required works to make them work, so they had this market all for themselves.

But after a couple of years devs discovered that there was a market for their older games and that they could sell said games on Steam directly to reach a much bigger market; that's when we saw more and more older games appearing on Steam.So IMHO Gog had two choices, remain in their old games only niche and gets slowly but surely eaten by Steam or diversify themselves while keeping the DRM-free, something that Steam was not going to copy any time soon.

They chose the later and personally I think it was the right choice, even if it bring with it all sort of troubles (e.g. having to drop the worldwide price, issues some games support, DLCs, etc...)
Post edited September 15, 2018 by Gersen
Posted September 15, 2018
I really dont see the point of buying recent games on GoG. If the game doesnt work perfectly on day one you end up having a lesser experience or have to wait on a patch that can take months.

Steam offers patches and GoG doesnt. GoG also charges you more but gives you less.

GoG's curation is getting worse and their browsing tools lacking, and doesnt offer redunds for bad games.
Posted September 15, 2018
This old wishlist of mine has almost reached 1K people and it's sadly still valid:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/no_more_outdated_or_abandoned_games

If Gog eventually managed to add an "update clause" for devs as I heard, it's very important to enforce it to avoid losing customers and gain a bad reputation..
Post edited September 15, 2018 by phaolo
Posted September 15, 2018
So yet another title to buy when it comes in a Humble Bundle and just amp the bar all the way to charity.
Posted September 15, 2018
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MadalinStroe: I 100% agree with this. It's a mistake for GOG to try to compete with STEAM. They should do their own thing, like they did when they started GOG. They should offer complete/definitive versions of the games, DRM-Free. Games getting patched late, or missing features such as modding tools or daily runs, only draws bad publicity.
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Gersen: Personally I think it was more a question of survival than anything else.

It's nice to be in a niche but it only works your niche is actually... a niche.

What I mean by that is that when Gog started nobody really cared about old games and there was no legal way to get most of them, not to mention that it required works to make them work, so they had this market all for themselves.

But after a couple of years devs discovered that there was a market for their older games and that they could sell said games on Steam directly to reach a much bigger market; that's when we saw more and more older games appearing on Steam.So IMHO Gog had two choices, remain in their old games only niche and gets slowly but surely eaten by Steam or diversify themselves while keeping the DRM-free, something that Steam was not going to copy any time soon.

They chose the later and personally I think it was the right choice, even if it bring with it all sort of troubles (e.g. having to drop the worldwide price, issues some games support, DLCs, etc...)
^ 100% this.
Posted September 15, 2018
Fingers crossed GOG dies so that we don't have to worry about this stuff anymore >:-)
Posted September 15, 2018
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phaolo: This old wishlist of mine has almost reached 1K people and it's sadly still valid:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/no_more_outdated_or_abandoned_games

If Gog eventually managed to add an "update clause" for devs as I heard, it's very important to enforce it to avoid losing customers and gain a bad reputation..
Pretty sure those contracts already are existing. Devs just break them again and again.
Posted September 15, 2018
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idbeholdME: Instead of struggling to get the newest updates for recently released games, they should be furiously negotiating/trying to find a way to get the crucial old games in here first.
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MarkoH01: Why on earth is everybody thinking that GOG abandoned old games? Has it ever occured to you that it will be harder and harder to get those games at all because of extreme legal problems and questions? If GOG would go back to their roots and sell old games only (which as I said will get fewer and fewer) I am sure they won't survive very long.
I'm not saying they abandoned them, I'd just like to know why Steam has many of them (which proves they can actually be sold and are not in licensing hell) while GOG does not.
Posted September 15, 2018
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MarkoH01: Why on earth is everybody thinking that GOG abandoned old games? Has it ever occured to you that it will be harder and harder to get those games at all because of extreme legal problems and questions? If GOG would go back to their roots and sell old games only (which as I said will get fewer and fewer) I am sure they won't survive very long.
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idbeholdME: I'm not saying they abandoned them, I'd just like to know why Steam has many of them (which proves they can actually be sold and are not in licensing hell) while GOG does not.
Maybe because those publishers refused GOG because of Steam's bigger marketshare and GOG's DRM-free politic? I don't know if that is the reason but I am quite sure that GOG is still actively trying to get new old games here as well.
Post edited September 15, 2018 by MarkoH01
Posted September 15, 2018
Good news, it seems that the problem with A Hat in Time is now solved!
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/there_is_hope
Posted September 15, 2018
I like to buy via GOG when possible - but there have been numerous times where I picked up on Steam (or elsewhere) specifically for things like missing soundtracks. Some of GOG's older titles that include the OST with purchase are wonderful! But I also realize that it can be a costly endeavor - so I'd happily buy the OST standalone or for an additional fee. Many titles here don't even offer that option, though, unfortunately. So until they surface here, I'll either wait or purchase elsewhere.

The most recent title I bought elsewhere - specifically because there was no option here for the soundtrack - was Layers of Fear. On the other hand, I went out of my way to get Metronomicon, Crypt of the NecroDancer, Hacknet, & Frozen Synapse here & I've purchased the soundtracks from each.

Of course, I wonder how it might work out if I just purchased soundtracks without the games themselves... Hard to ignore that "requires base game" disclaimer, though.
If you could make that work, GOG, you'd see much more business from me.
Posted September 15, 2018
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tinyE: I had to look that up. :P

Every day I feel older and more and more out of touch.

Now I need to go back over posts for the last five years and find out who was actually giving me crap. :P
Same. See, that's one good reason to still enjoy GOG. It will help to build your vocabulary.
Posted September 16, 2018
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Tauto: Can't really say anything nice about Steam.It's possibly the way they make you sign in or should I say verify account via email just about everytime you log in or the fact that they command my pc while playing one of their rented games.
okay, whatever you say, tinfoil man
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tfishell: GOG just doesn't have the customer base/market share/sway to force devs or pubs to do this.
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Crosmando: Easy, when GOG is negotiating with devs GOG ppl should produce a legal contract that says "If you have a game on GOG, you need to provide the same patches as the Steam version has", if the developer says no then they don't get to release their game on GOG, full stop. Better a game not be on GOG at all than they release a gimped version of it, quality over quantity.
I suppose so, just make sure not to pull the rug under your legs completely, because GOG compared to Steam, whether people like to admit it or not, is not the marketplace they will prioritise
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blotunga: I have always believed that GOG's primary focus should be getting AA and AAA games which are older than 3-5 years and hopefully convince large publishers that it's worthwhile to do a DRM-Free release after a couple of years of the initial sales.
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MadalinStroe: I 100% agree with this. It's a mistake for GOG to try to compete with STEAM. They should do their own thing, like they did when they started GOG. They should offer complete/definitive versions of the games, DRM-Free. Games getting patched late, or missing features such as modding tools or daily runs, only draws bad publicity.
the genie got out of the bag the moment people wanted newer games on the platform outside of old ones

you cannot have both of best worlds, especially when you are running a business that needs to make profit.
Post edited September 16, 2018 by Zetikla
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