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LootHunter: You totally missed the point of research that PanzerFranzz linked. It says that 7% of people in US believe that our society (or rather societies) is wrong and need radical changes. And 80% are tired of those 7% pushing their agenda and creating a political divide.
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firstpastthepost: After doing a little digging this study appears to be not very reputable, at least, not from a scientific perspective. It has not been peer reviewed or tested. It was developed by a biased think tank, with authors that I can find no evidence of previous publications or research for. They don't follow any rigorous scientific methods.
Maybe, but that's not what Telika was saying. Personally, I haven't read this piece thorough enough to tell if it is legit or otherwise. But I would like to point out that all studies that "social activist" cite as evidence to their claims are not follow scientific methods either. And as Telika starts to ramble about definitions, that "everyone understands terms with their own way", with such approach ANY scientific method is impossible. You have to make strict definitions, then build a theory upon them and THEN check if reality is corresponding to your theory. If instead you start to say that everyone has own definitions and perceptions, there is literally no way to reach consensus.
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firstpastthepost: A large part of managing twitter outrage has become offering a staff sacrifice to the mob. That's just the way it's become.
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LootHunter: Yes, that's how it's become. But it doesn't mean that it is ok
I agree it sucks. My only point is that I understand the motivation for firing someone given the circumstances, from the perspective of how these things work in the industry.
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LootHunter: Maybe, but that's not what Telika was saying. Personally, I haven't read this piece thorough enough to tell if it is legit or otherwise. But I would like to point out that all studies that "social activist" cite as evidence to their claims are not follow scientific methods either. And as Telika starts to ramble about definitions, that "everyone understands terms with their own way", with such approach ANY scientific method is impossible. You have to make strict definitions, then build a theory upon them and THEN check if reality is corresponding to your theory. If instead you start to say that everyone has own definitions and perceptions, there is literally no way to reach consensus.
On that point I would have to agree. I think a scientific consensus is possible to reach provided there are strict methods employed and there is enough peer review and study replication to point to consensus.

This study could be a start... at least to get the ball rolling. It just requires proper expanding on and testing to verify results.
Post edited November 20, 2018 by firstpastthepost
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RWarehall: To you only the results count and if the results are bad, you are just going to sack someone. I get it, you are just one of those kinds of people. I'm just glad I don't work for someone like you where the heads will roll over any problem.
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hummer010: It wasn't one problem. It was three. Three strikes, you're out. I'd say that GOG gave Linko plenty of opportunity to "figure out" what's appropriate to post on a corporate account. He didn't figure it out.
Name the three strikes!!!! Why do so many people want to blame Linko for things he didn't do? Why can't you get your facts straight?
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hummer010: It wasn't one problem. It was three. Three strikes, you're out. I'd say that GOG gave Linko plenty of opportunity to "figure out" what's appropriate to post on a corporate account. He didn't figure it out.
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RWarehall: Name the three strikes!!!! Why do so many people want to blame Linko for things he didn't do? Why can't you get your facts straight?
I agree there... we don't really know what various PR issues that happened Linko was actually involved in. He may have bore the brunt of a bunch of stuff he wasn't even involved in. There's isn't really any way of knowing what justification was used for his firing. Realistically employers often don't need to provide a real explanation.

It would be strange to fire someone as a kind of sacrifice to a mob and not tell anyone about it though.... kind of defeats the purpose of the firing. That in itself may point to something else we are not aware of, but that;s just speculation of course.
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hummer010: It wasn't one problem. It was three. Three strikes, you're out. I'd say that GOG gave Linko plenty of opportunity to "figure out" what's appropriate to post on a corporate account. He didn't figure it out.
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RWarehall: Name the three strikes!!!! Why do so many people want to blame Linko for things he didn't do? Why can't you get your facts straight?
you could argue if it matters or not if Linko did all three or not, it was all from CDP accounts. If nothing else, Linko was (or should be, if he did is job) aware of the previous tweets and warning bells should have rung. He then (probably) did the Postal 2 tweet, and then the hashtag one.... even if he did not do all three, but only two of them (in itself... one mistake and a warning, second mistake and out), he should have been careful due to the volatile existing history as well.

As many people have said, I am sorry he has left, but I understand the reasons why.
I personally feel this way about the whole situation: Like many/most of us on the forum, I did not know linko90 personally and I had never met him or even spoken with him in chat. My opinion is that many people miss what he DID for the forum in particular (heavy policing of threads and quick action against forum violators) more than him personally, whatever one may think about his attitude/personality.

linko90 is gone, fables22 is gone, they're not coming back (most likely). Time to move on and hope for a forum moderator with a similar attitude towards forum management as linko90 had. In the meantime, self-moderate as best as possible. Be excellent to each other.
keep in mind in all this as well, we do not really 100% know for sure that Linko was fired, it has never been confirmed.
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RWarehall: Name the three strikes!!!! Why do so many people want to blame Linko for things he didn't do? Why can't you get your facts straight?
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amok: you could argue if it matters or not if Linko did all three or not, it was all from CDP accounts. If nothing else, Linko was (or should be, if he did is job) aware of the previous tweets and warning bells should have rung. He then (probably) did the Postal 2 tweet, and then the hashtag one.... even if he did not do all three, but only two of them (in itself... one mistake and a warning, second mistake and out), he should have been careful due to the volatile existing history as well.

As many people have said, I am sorry he has left, but I understand the reasons why.
Yeah, and fire him for promoting a game in your catalog. What a crime. A game that this mob was going to complain about anyway because Milo of Breitbart fame was a voice actor in the expansion. This is how that outrage mob thinks.
They kept saying Running With Scissors supported hate speech too. Follow me here, but this is how these crazy people think. Because Running With Scissors used Milo of Breitbart fame, Breitbart and Milo who they call alt-right Nazis (because they are critical of illegal immigration in the U.S. and posted articles in favor of Trump) also wrote articles that talked about game journalist collusion and explained how Gamergate wasn't entirely wrong in their complaints. Gamergate being a harassment campaign because a couple people on Twitter sent nasty messages to Anita Saarkesian, so anyone agreeing with them is a harassing terrorist. Thus Running With Scissors -> Milo of Breitbart -> Gamergate -> misogynists and Nazis. See perfectly simple!

Just like that gif. The Dude pissing on a tombstone saying "Games Journalism" with a date that is the day these journalists started writing 13 articles calling gamers "dead", calling them all misogynists and basement dwellers who live in their parent's basements. That links to Gamergate because that is one of the things Gamergate was complaining about. And since Gamergate is all about harassment (because a handful of people sent nasty Tweets), that makes them a misogynistic and transphobic group because two of the recipients were a woman and transgender. So for GoG to post a gif from the game itself -> Games Journalism -> Gamers are Dead articles -> Gamergate -> harassment campaign -> misogynists and transphobic. See how simple and straightforward that is? What a dastardly crime!

Nothing Linko could've done was going to prevent complaints there. Releasing Paradise Lost was the crime. Releasing Paradise Lost was supporting Gamergate and hate crimes in the minds of the outrage mob. Just like GoG supposedly supported Gamergate by not outright banning any discussion about it.

There were not even two mistakes. This mob wasn't complaining about pissing on the tombstone. They made the extremely stretched claim that GoG was supporting hate speech and transphobia. And that is just plain stupid.

And the truth is that the only people who really care about this, is this small group of perpetually offended. They have already boycotted CDPR 5 or 6 times. People boycotting your storefront already are NOT buying your games unless they lie. And if they are lying about their outrage and boycotts, then they are still buying your games anyway. Nothing lost.

Woulda coulda shoulda. Sorry, nothing anyone can do will prevent the next outrage. You can be super careful to color between the lines and then this mob will attack you for the color of crayon you use. There was no winning with them. GoG instead fired a good employee as a sacrifice to a mob of sharks. Firing Linko just emboldens them. Makes them more likely to find a new excuse to outrage at GoG or CDPR. I highly suggest people Google ResetEra and GoG. Go to the 85 page, 4000+ forum topic. Pick any page and read about a dozen posts. These people are crazy and will not be satisfied with anything.
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amok: keep in mind in all this as well, we do not really 100% know for sure that Linko was fired, it has never been confirmed.
I gave up on that point a while ago. Even if there is no proof, it is a likely outcome. And when the people you are debating won't give up on that point it's best to move on. There's plenty of other problems with this whole argument that there's no point sticking to your guns on one point that, from a common sense standpoint, they're probably right about.
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amok: keep in mind in all this as well, we do not really 100% know for sure that Linko was fired, it has never been confirmed.
He was fired! it has been confirmed by multiple sources. Seriously?
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amok: keep in mind in all this as well, we do not really 100% know for sure that Linko was fired, it has never been confirmed.
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RWarehall: He was fired! it has been confirmed by multiple sources. Seriously?
which sources? (a YT video is not a source for this)

I haven't seen one yet.
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amok: keep in mind in all this as well, we do not really 100% know for sure that Linko was fired, it has never been confirmed.
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RWarehall: He was fired! it has been confirmed by multiple sources. Seriously?
.............And this would stand up in Court as (proof) evidence?...............Confirmed by Gog,Seriously?
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RWarehall: He was fired! it has been confirmed by multiple sources. Seriously?
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Tauto: .............And this would stand up in Court as (proof) evidence?...............Confirmed by Gog,Seriously?
Even though I agree about the credibility of the sources.... like I said before, you can probably cut him some slack on this one since it's not like it's not the likely outcome.
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TARFU: I personally feel this way about the whole situation: Like many/most of us on the forum, I did not know linko90 personally and I had never met him or even spoken with him in chat. My opinion is that many people miss what he DID for the forum in particular (heavy policing of threads and quick action against forum violators) more than him personally, whatever one may think about his attitude/personality.

linko90 is gone, fables22 is gone, they're not coming back (most likely). Time to move on and hope for a forum moderator with a similar attitude towards forum management as linko90 had. In the meantime, self-moderate as best as possible. Be excellent to each other.
You were mean to me the other day, and I almost cried about it! You meanie!
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Tauto: .............And this would stand up in Court as (proof) evidence?...............Confirmed by Gog,Seriously?
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firstpastthepost: Even though I agree about the credibility of the sources.... like I said before, you can probably cut him some slack on this one since it's not like it's not the likely outcome.
I understand that but,proof is proof and it has not been produced...............I saw a Martian,land in my back yard last night and take some weeds..............My point is if someone else saw it also would it be more believable? It still is not proof unless the Martian comes back for an interview......This hasn't been confirmed by Gog as yet and until that time then it is hearsay.Even ten years from now,without proof it will be all hearsay.After all,he could of just left and Gog does not have to confirm or deny anything as it's their business and no one else's.