If i lost my children or wife, all the money in world would be meaningless.

Someone giving me money would most likely feel like these people very just trying to buy themselves a better mind - and ofcourse thats what it really is. Its -easy- to give money and then think "ive done my share", while in practice you havent really done anything at all. Nothing permanent anyway.

Kindness, politeness, smiles, seeing people in the eye as equals - all this is -free- and would make all of your lives far better, the givers and the recievers and just handing out cold hard cash.

Yet, making this kind of everyday goodwill a habit seems to be something like the worlds most difficult thing to do - ever wonder why?

Money in my mind is just about meaningless anyways - its far more trouble as the driving force of society than its really worth...but lets not go to politics and sosiology. That discussion is an endless swamp I dont have energy, time nor beer to dwell upon atm.

Anyhow, if we had real caring communities and a bit of respect for each other, this kind of school shooting stuff most likely wouldnt happen. Afterall, the shootings are mostly done by young men who have not felt like they were part of, well anything.

Not really suprising considering the world we are now daily creating is about me, my rights and my wants.

-> So hand out your money if you will, surely I am not going to claim that the victims families wouldnt have any bills to pay. Maybe money will make their daily life more painless - however what youre really doing is trying to ease symptoms. The symptom of disease called "World having way too little kindness in it".

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Every 12 seconds a person dies in USA for one reason or the other. Also every year in USA some 15 000 people die because of crime and more than 33 000 commit suicide. Every single one of these deaths is tragedy for atleast someone.

I have no wish to disrespect anyone who lost a loved one in these most recent or any other shooting for that matter. But the cold fact is that alot of people are dying all the time and they are not being grieved nationally. I dont feel noble enough to pick one and start donating money while forgetting the others.

However, what I can do, what I try to do - is to be more kind and make the world that tiny bit more better.

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If I was in the position where i could, I would like to do some volunteer work. For anyone with way too much free time and no hobbies, id suggest find give it a shot. Might change your look on life as well.

I used to feel this way. But, then I realized after like the 4th or so massacre this year in the US, that it might be tacky as hell, but we really can't let this keep on going endlessly because a bunch of self entitled cowards aren't willing to listen to reason.

In the aftermath of a massacre is definitely the right time to do some soul searching. It's become clear that it might take quite a while to get a few months without another one of these massacres.

The NRA itself should be keeping it's mouth shut, they're the ones that are a large part of the problem. They're by and large the ones that seem to think that large magazines, rapid fire and large caliber weapons are everybody's God given right, despite the fact that the framers of the constitution likely never envisioned people being able to easily fire off a half dozen shots in a minute, let alone the the amount that a decent semi automatic can fire.

This is not the NRA's fault in any way, shape or form. People make their own choices in life. It isn't the fault of an automaker if a guy gets drunk and decides to drive and happens to kill someone on the way home from the bar. It isn't anyone who's associated with the auto industry in any ways fault. The responsibility lies solely with the driver of the vehicle, just like the responsibility lies solely with the person using the weapon, be it a gun or otherwise. (Edit: It's also not anyone at the bars fault, or anyone associated with the alcohol industry.)

This kind of stuff has, unfortunately, been happening for thousands of years in one capacity or another. There was an article in the news about a town called Bath, Michigan, where in 1927, a man blew up a school with explosives and killed something like 40 kids. That was without a gun.

It's heartbreaking what happened to these children in Conn. Nobody wants that. Not people in the NRA, or anti-gun people. But how about a little perspective here... How many children die every day in the world? 10,000? 20,000? I'm sure it's a massive number. Thirty died in connect that day. So we should start restricting guns? If that kid wanted to kill people that badly, he would have found another way besides a gun if he didn't have access to one.

It's hard to say for certain what the framers of the constitution had in mind. They wanted us to have guns so that we could protect ourselves -- from criminals or even our own government. So, how do you know that they, seeing the type of technology that exists today, wouldn't want everyone to have access to that type of weaponry to stand a chance? I'm not suggesting that we all need to be armed with assault rifles, but I am pointing out that it's hard to say what they would have had in mind for our constitution centuries after the fact.

All I know is that it's far too easy for crooks and nut jobs to have guns. So unless you can guarantee that you can take their guns away, then I want mine, and I will have mine. What good are the cops if you can't call them when you've already been shot and killed?

My apologies for not being familiar with German porn but...who exacly is Gunther?

Gunther Hermann?

I thought they are all called Gunther?

A lot of people simply don't understand mental issues. I suffer from severe depression which leads to addiction issues. My own family doesn't understand that. That's not even at the beginning of the mental health issues, I'm at the low end and I have enough trouble in life.

And there's no reason whatsoever a person should have access to anything higher then a hunting rifle/shotgun/pistol. There is no excuse for people being allowed to go out and buy assault rifles due to loopholes in the system. Anything "automatic" should not be readily available, you don't need that kind of fire power to defend your home or kill a deer.

Instead of dealing with legit issues such as gun control, understanding mental health, or realizing that at our core everyone is capable of losing their mind if things get bad enough; it's much easier to demonize and hide behind concepts of "evil" or "influences" as the source of wrong. You don't have to deal with fixing society if you can scream "video games are evil!"

I may kill a 100 more people in Hotline Miami with a knife. Does that count? I won't shoot a single bullet, I promise.

Bullshit. Without easy access to high capacity clips and handguns these sorts of crimes would not happen. Look at the previously linked list of massacres and you'll see what I mean. It wasn't until the more modern weapons came into use that you started to see casualties over 9 in these incidences.

The NRA is the main lobby group that lobbies for people to have access to assault weapons, high capacity clips, few or no back ground checks and such. To say they're not at all responsible is the kind of apologistics which leads to these sorts of things happening.

Just look at the Australian response to their last massacre. Hasn't been one in the 15 years since.

What if a person gets ambushed by an elite special forces deer unit while hunting in the woods? There are a lot of issues at play here in my opinion. It goes beyond just the simple matter of whether or not people need to own a certain type of weapon. I agree that it's not practical. But it's also about our rights and about what else can be taken away or otherwise restricted for various reasons. It also brings up complex issues about how strictly we should adhere to our own constitution, or if we should be changing as we go. And also the interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

I guess in the end discussing it hardly matters. The government makes its decisions, and the people go along with it. Kicking and screaming perhaps, but everyone is either too afraid of dying or too comfortable in their situation to ever take a stand.
Are you legally retarded? Just curious.

Edit: http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2012/12/bath-michigan-1927-deadliest-school.html

The government has infringed on your rights far far worse then any gun control law ever could. Look up Eminent Domain if you really want to be scared; in summary, the government (and most in the world for that matter) can legally take any land you own for public good and offer you just compensation which is regularly below land value. Or nothing at all, if they can find legal reason for it. Not just for public good either, it's been done for things like parking lots. In short, you don't own land, you only lease.

I also want to go back to your point earlier comparing automobiles and guns. Automobiles are a tool, they serve the primary purpose of transportation. Yes, people die either through negligence or intent, but that doesn't change the primary function. Guns on the other hand have only one purpose: To Kill. A Gun is a tool for the death of another being; be it human or animal. They have no other function, they are only a weapon. The idea of a gun as "protection" is a US concept and it's a flawed idea. A tool to kill another person isn't protection, it's a method of killing. You can't compare the two (automobiles & guns) because they aren't similar at all.

Bullshit. In the situation of this last incident, there was nothing to prevent the shooter from reloading several times with 5- or 6-shot pistol magazines, which the unitiated can manage in only a few seconds. It could have been a revolver with manual loading for all it mattered. Listen to the accounts of the survivors: who was moving to stop this nutbag once he started? Relatively speaking, he had all the time in world.

What would have stopped this, from a firearms standpoint, is for the firearms in question to have been safely locked away in the home.

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Frankly, I'm torn on the NRA and do not plan to join if / when we purchase firearms. On the one hand, they have programs to teach firearm safety; on the other, they oppose mandatory training for new owners. Responsible ownership is a deadly serious matter, and the more education the better.

Exactly, hell for we found a loop hole, we can still knife and melee people in Call of duty, team fortress 2, Halo, etc.

Guns are tools for exactly those reasons. I live outside of East St. Louis. There are a lot of bad people in this area who will not hesitate to kill you for a 20 dollar bill. So, you think me wanting to use a gun, which in this case would be used as an instrument of my survival (in other words - a tool), is a flawed idea? I should just let the mean ol' bad man kill me or my family? Or how about hunting? Should I just eat tofu all day? Sorry, but I still have my balls. And soy protein is a bad substitute for animal protein. Until we come up with a proper meat substitute, I will continue to eat meat. And until people stop committing violent crimes, I will continue to own guns.

And as far as your first paragraph goes -- don't you see that us having guns would at least give us a fighting chance in the future if the government ever got out of control? Seriously, I wish guns didn't exist. Truly, I mean that. But I'm also realistic, and I like to think that I'm not a pussy. I'd rather be armed and have a fighting chance against an armed criminal. I would rather die fighting a criminal then just let him take my wallet. You see, that's part of the problem with our society. Criminals are not afraid to commit crimes. They f-king should be. Maybe it's because I'm a military veteran, but I just don't believe it's right to let criminals just take your stuff - or worse - and get away with it, without retribution. You have to stand for something...

And finally, as a military veteran, I served to protect our rights. I may not be in the service anymore, but I'll always be willing to fight for our rights and freedoms, or die trying. I wish everyone felt that way.

I understand the point of those who want to ban weapons, but what I dont understand is why they always concentrate on "damage control"?

I mean, atleast to me it seems like saying "People will always go crazy, but without guns they will kill less than with guns" -> Fair point, but why not try to figure out why these people go nuts in the first place and do you best to prevent that from happening?

I am stretching it a bit, but basically I see total gun ban as something similar to blaming video games for turning children into killers. Ultimately guns (or video games..) arent the cause of these mass murders?

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I am not into guns irl and definitely dont believe in the stuff like guns making people more equal or whatever, but I just dont see the ban really solving the actual problem. Hiding and hindering maybe, but definitely not solving it.

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Obama: "Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"

-> I wouldnt say its price of "our freedom", rather the cost of irresponsibility. And I do not mean irresponsibility about guns (although I do wonder about the gun fever in US in general. Both pro- and anti- that is).

This is a good point, especially so if the owner has kids. I believe everyone in my family who owns guns has a gun safe. I think it's important. I also agree with you about gun safety. Many gun accidents, deadly or not, are caused by improper handling of firearms from a lack of training/experience.