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stoicsentry: OK, so...

He claims he sent GOG a Cease and Desist order, which they ignored.

He then posts on facebook, and within an hour or so, GOG removes the games?

What? Does that make any sense? Why would they ignore a C&D but respond to a stupid facebook post?

Also he has yet to really explain why Nordic would *think* they have the rights when they don't. It's very confusing. Honestly my best bet is that he's being honest but he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
He supposedly sent Dreamcatcher a C&D years ago...he never sent one to gog.

Mayhap he thinks by sending a C&D to Dreamcatcher that somehow stops them from having whatever rights they had...hmmm...maybe he decided he did not want to honor his side of the contract and sent that to Dreamcatcher thinking that solves everything when it doesn't. If he signed a contract with Dreamcatcher and they later sold that contract it does not matter what JB thinks anymore...it will all matter what is in that contract.

Just because he wanted the rights back, hell if he signed them over then he has to wait till that contract ends or make some arrangement with the holder...that actually probably is probably the kind of crazy shit that happened...sadly...whatever is in those contracts is what will determine the outcome. I would figure Mr. Boakes is screwed, but that is my opinion.
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CowboyBebop: I think that if he could go this long without realizing his games were being sold online (GOG, Steam, hell even Amazon) then he probably was foolish enough to sign away the distribution rights. Glad I never bought any of his games now.
Yep, i mean no matter what look at the fact he just now woke up and realized this game was being sold...lol...i mean...what the heck has he been doing since his last game in 2009??? Just looks pretty bad on his part...only his big fans would fall for it.
Post edited April 02, 2013 by misfire200
This is weird the download link for lost souls is steam. I'm going to have to go read back up the thread. Is he only complaining that its being sold here through another publisher? Will have to check steam.


Iceberg interactive. Well maybe some good will come from this and we'll get some more games like Barrow Hill.
Post edited April 02, 2013 by the_bard
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mondo84: I certainly don't mean GOG is beyond making mistakes. But it sounds like GOG was acting based on information from Dreamcatcher/Nordic, and without proper paperwork they probably weren't able to send the developer payments.
Well, it's not that they weren't able to send the developer payments, it's not even their job to. The way it usually works is:
the customer gives money to GOG, GOG keeps some and gives the rest to the publisher, the publisher keeps some (read: a lot) and gives the remainder to the developer.

It was never GOG's job to give the money to the developer, just to whoever they licenced the game from (in this case the publisher, but in some cases it's the dev directly).
high rated
Sounds like Mr. Boakes needs to retain a lawyer and have them evaluate the situation and determine what rights he actually has. Such a lawyer would also likely advise him to shut the hell up while they handle things through proper channels (because shooting his mouth off on Facebook like he's doing opens him up to some big counterclaims by Nordic if he doesn't actually have any rights to the game). As most of us are aware assignment of copyrights and distribution rights can be rather complicated and can take a while to sort out in the case of disagreements even if all parties are acting in good faith. That's why it's important to get people on the job who actually have a good understanding of the applicable rules, rather than trying to go solo and just throw around accusations.
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misfire200: lol one of them is on steam...but he probably does not know that...
The one on Steam is the one that isn't here. I think the ones we have are the ones with confusing rights issues with publishers and the one on Steam never got caught up in all that and was probably put there by him or his current publisher.
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DarrkPhoenix: Sounds like Mr. Boakes needs to retain a lawyer and have them evaluate the situation and determine what rights he actually has. Such a lawyer would also likely advise him to shut the hell up while they handle things through proper channels (because shooting his mouth off on Facebook like he's doing opens him up to some big counterclaims by Nordic if he doesn't actually have any rights to the game). As most of us are aware assignment of copyrights and distribution rights can be rather complicated and can take a while to sort out in the case of disagreements even if all parties are acting in good faith. That's why it's important to get people on the job who actually have a good understanding of the applicable rules, rather than trying to go solo and just throw around accusations.
Couldn't have said it better myself :)
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stoicsentry: OK, so...

He claims he sent GOG a Cease and Desist order, which they ignored.

He then posts on facebook, and within an hour or so, GOG removes the games?

What? Does that make any sense? Why would they ignore a C&D but respond to a stupid facebook post?

Also he has yet to really explain why Nordic would *think* they have the rights when they don't. It's very confusing. Honestly my best bet is that he's being honest but he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
Obviously GOG aren't scared of the law, just bad press. ;)
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the_bard: Probably something else I should've picked up before they were pulled. At least that last bunch made it back. WTF ever happened to Chessmaster I wonder. Second Sight, XIII...
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Bloodygoodgames: You're not missing much :)

I played the first two and they're not very good. I wanted them to be as I'm British and love supporting British developers. Unfortunately, they're more of the 'been-there-done-that' genre and poor examples at that.
If You like FPP adventure games, they're actually very atmospheric, enthralling and fun :)
The guy sounds sketch, he may be in the right, but that is not at all clear right now. He could genuinely believe he's in the right, but be in the wrong. Or he could be a lying asshole.

I just don't buy his story at this point and I think the OP is really silly for immediately jumping at GOG's throat over it, sounds like I'm not the only one of this mind, so over and out.
Post edited April 02, 2013 by orcishgamer
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DarrkPhoenix: Sounds like Mr. Boakes needs to retain a lawyer and have them evaluate the situation and determine what rights he actually has. Such a lawyer would also likely advise him to shut the hell up while they handle things through proper channels (because shooting his mouth off on Facebook like he's doing opens him up to some big counterclaims by Nordic if he doesn't actually have any rights to the game). As most of us are aware assignment of copyrights and distribution rights can be rather complicated and can take a while to sort out in the case of disagreements even if all parties are acting in good faith. That's why it's important to get people on the job who actually have a good understanding of the applicable rules, rather than trying to go solo and just throw around accusations.
This. When I said I was glad I hadn't bought any of his games it's because of his actions. He could have contacted a lawyer who would be able to determine if Nordic had any distribution rights (the lawyer could also contact gog and inform them to stop selling the game immediately) and find out how much (if anything) Nordic owed him. But to go on a social networking site and air his legal issues to any and all while defaming both Nordic and GOG is in poor taste.

P.S. I read through some of the comments on his post. Turns out he knows about Iceberg Interactive selling his game(s) on steam but had no idea about Amazon.
Post edited April 02, 2013 by CowboyBebop
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CowboyBebop: P.S. I read through some of the comments on his post. Turns out he knows about Iceberg Interactive selling his game(s) on steam but had no idea about Amazon.
This guy is so damned clueless what are the actual odds he really knows what's in the contracts he did sign? I'm guessing those odds would be the long ones.
Never heard of dark fall until now. Doesn't really inspire much confidence in the game if the designer can't distinguish a distributor from a publisher.
lol the confusions
This is how I imagined TET after he wrote his comments earlier in the thread.
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First pin the blame on GOG, saying they're crooks (and all his fans jump behind him). But now based on his last few posts apparently it's Nordic. If you follow the chronology, all the flip-flop, make it hard to side with him even if you're not a fan of GOG.

He's a great developer but not all developer has sensible and up to date business mind. Sounds like he need to hire someone professional to take care all the legal matters.