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Posted December 20, 2012
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OldFatGuy: Words
Seriously, dude, watch a How to Play series. If this is your first Paradox game, you have played nothing like it.

I'd recommend this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzAXqOqV5k&feature=plcp

Also, you might want to check out the CK2 wiki : http://ckiiwiki.com/Crusader_Kings_II_Wiki

And skip the first game. It was made in the previous engine, and eventually so many names are in the database that it crashes. It takes awhile to get there, but it's inevitable.
Posted December 20, 2012
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OldFatGuy: snip
:-)
replacementdocs is a treasure, isn't it?
Posted December 20, 2012
Is that anything like getting scroggled? ;-)
Posted December 20, 2012
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Fictionvision: Thats one of the nice things GOG makes sure to cover. They have people properly pack up the releases and include things like manuals so you aren't left hanging if you like stuff like that.

Edit: In this case I'd put the blame on the game's publisher. Steam doesn't have a quality check before a game gets released (See War Z), but the publisher could have included that as an extra in the game's directory.
Not always Street Figher didn't include a manual or any information about the controls. See my thread and they used an incredibly odd set of keys, which meant that I couldn't even move through the menus to find and change the control settings.

But yes, in general they're pretty good about that. Maybe I should have completed to the hatted one about Mr. Gog not even including their own keyboard map.
Posted December 23, 2012
Well, now I really got Steamed. My fault, though, but it does't make it right.

I purchased another game from their sale. So that's on me. My fault, I should just avoid Steam the way I've been avoiding it for the last however many years it's been in existance, but I didn't.

But I read the game page that I just purhased from TOP TO BOTTOM (twice now actually) and it NEVER mentioned having to join any other website or group (I understand completely I must be a Steam member, but that's ALL) and purchased a game.

And the first screen is a log on screen. For a single player game. And I have tried everything I know to try to play that game without logging on to another site and it will simply not let me play.

And, again, that information was NOWHERE on the page that one clicks "Add to Cart" on. It does not mention the need to join anything, anywhere.

So, we'll see if I get a refund, or if I've spent my last dime at Steam. If I were a betting man I think I know which way I'd bet, but it's just plain WRONG to have as a reqirement joining another website (in addition to Steam) WITHOUT MAKING THAT VERY APPARENT BEFORE PURCHASE.

Fuck you Steam. Money back please.
Posted December 23, 2012
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OldFatGuy: But I read the game page that I just purhased from TOP TO BOTTOM (twice now actually) and it NEVER mentioned having to join any other website or group (I understand completely I must be a Steam member, but that's ALL) and purchased a game.

And the first screen is a log on screen. For a single player game. And I have tried everything I know to try to play that game without logging on to another site and it will simply not let me play.

And, again, that information was NOWHERE on the page that one clicks "Add to Cart" on. It does not mention the need to join anything, anywhere.
Which game was it?
Posted December 23, 2012
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OldFatGuy: Well, now I really got Steamed. My fault, though, but it does't make it right.

I purchased another game from their sale. So that's on me. My fault, I should just avoid Steam the way I've been avoiding it for the last however many years it's been in existance, but I didn't.

But I read the game page that I just purhased from TOP TO BOTTOM (twice now actually) and it NEVER mentioned having to join any other website or group (I understand completely I must be a Steam member, but that's ALL) and purchased a game.

And the first screen is a log on screen. For a single player game. And I have tried everything I know to try to play that game without logging on to another site and it will simply not let me play.

And, again, that information was NOWHERE on the page that one clicks "Add to Cart" on. It does not mention the need to join anything, anywhere.

So, we'll see if I get a refund, or if I've spent my last dime at Steam. If I were a betting man I think I know which way I'd bet, but it's just plain WRONG to have as a reqirement joining another website (in addition to Steam) WITHOUT MAKING THAT VERY APPARENT BEFORE PURCHASE.

Fuck you Steam. Money back please.
Did you know that Steam supported Germany during WW2? Fuck you Steam. Everything that is wrong in the world is Steam's fault. Fuck you Valve.
Post edited December 23, 2012 by Neobr10
Posted December 23, 2012
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OldFatGuy: But I read the game page that I just purhased from TOP TO BOTTOM (twice now actually) and it NEVER mentioned having to join any other website or group (I understand completely I must be a Steam member, but that's ALL) and purchased a game.

And the first screen is a log on screen. For a single player game. And I have tried everything I know to try to play that game without logging on to another site and it will simply not let me play.

And, again, that information was NOWHERE on the page that one clicks "Add to Cart" on. It does not mention the need to join anything, anywhere.
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Fictionvision: Which game was it?
Anno 2070
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Neobr10: Did you know that Steam supported Germany during WW2? Fuck you Steam. Everything that is wrong in the world is Steam's fault. Fuck you Valve.
No, I didn't know about that. Thanks though, always good to know all the reasons why Steam sucks.
Post edited December 23, 2012 by OldFatGuy
Posted December 23, 2012
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OldFatGuy: Anno 2070
Why don't you blame Ubisoft instead? It's well known that Ubi's games use Uplay most of the time, which does require an Uplay account. And even then, the game page clearly states that the games does have third-party DRM. Also, Steam never promised to sell DRM-free games. If you didn't know already, Steam is not GOG.

Even if you buy the game from another sotre, it will still have the Uplay requirement.

"Title: Anno 2070™
Genre: Strategy
Developer: BlueByte , Related Designs
Publisher: Ubisoft
Release Date: 17 Nov 2011
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Czech, Russian
3rd-party DRM: Solidshield Tages SAS
3 machine activation limit"

You know, i do understand some of the complaints against Steam. But this is just nonsense, you're blaming Steam for no fucking reason.

Anyway, i don't even know why i'm wasting my time bringing common sense into this irrational discussion.
Post edited December 23, 2012 by Neobr10
Posted December 23, 2012
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OldFatGuy: Anno 2070
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Neobr10: Why don't you blame Ubisoft instead? It's well known that Ubi's games use Uplay most of the time, which does require an Uplay account. And even then, the game page clearly states that the games does have third-party DRM. Also, Steam never promised to sell DRM-free games. If you didn't know already, Steam is not GOG.

Even if you buy the game from another sotre, it will still have the Uplay requirement.

"Title: Anno 2070™
Genre: Strategy
Developer: BlueByte , Related Designs
Publisher: Ubisoft
Release Date: 17 Nov 2011
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Czech, Russian
3rd-party DRM: Solidshield Tages SAS
3 machine activation limit"

You know, i do understand some of the complaints against Steam. But this is just nonsense, you're blaming Steam for no fucking reason.

Anyway, i don't even know why i'm wasting my time bringing common sense into this irrational discussion.
Whoa, wait a goddam minute. It's "well known" that Ubi games use Ubi play most of the time which does require a Uplay account???

Really???

Well known by whom???

Should I have been born with this knowledge?? Because I assure before tonight I DID NOT KNOW THIS ABOUT UBISOFT.

And was it UbiSoft's fault STEAM did NOT list the requirement on STEAM's game page??? Really???

Yeah, common sense is in this thread, just not in this post.
Post edited December 23, 2012 by OldFatGuy
Posted December 23, 2012
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Neobr10: Why don't you blame Ubisoft instead? It's well known that Ubi's games use Uplay most of the time, which does require an Uplay account. And even then, the game page clearly states that the games does have third-party DRM. Also, Steam never promised to sell DRM-free games. If you didn't know already, Steam is not GOG.

Even if you buy the game from another sotre, it will still have the Uplay requirement.

"Title: Anno 2070™
Genre: Strategy
Developer: BlueByte , Related Designs
Publisher: Ubisoft
Release Date: 17 Nov 2011
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Czech, Russian
3rd-party DRM: Solidshield Tages SAS
3 machine activation limit"
Actually, having a UPlay account isn't listed anywhere on the game's page as being a requirement. Where as other Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 3 do list needing a UPlay account.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208480/

Anno just lists a broadband connection required to activate the game. So he does have a point to go with when requesting a refund. He likely won't get it, or be told "This is your only one.", but the game's store page is missing UPlay in the requirements info.
Posted December 23, 2012
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Neobr10: Why don't you blame Ubisoft instead? It's well known that Ubi's games use Uplay most of the time, which does require an Uplay account. And even then, the game page clearly states that the games does have third-party DRM. Also, Steam never promised to sell DRM-free games. If you didn't know already, Steam is not GOG.

Even if you buy the game from another sotre, it will still have the Uplay requirement.

"Title: Anno 2070™
Genre: Strategy
Developer: BlueByte , Related Designs
Publisher: Ubisoft
Release Date: 17 Nov 2011
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Czech, Russian
3rd-party DRM: Solidshield Tages SAS
3 machine activation limit"

You know, i do understand some of the complaints against Steam. But this is just nonsense, you're blaming Steam for no fucking reason.

Anyway, i don't even know why i'm wasting my time bringing common sense into this irrational discussion.
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OldFatGuy: Whoa, wait a goddam minute. It's "well known" that Ubi games use Ubi play most of the time which does require a Uplay account???

Really???

Well known by whom???

Should I have been born with this knowledge?? Because I assure before tonight I DID NOT KNOW THIS ABOUT UBISOFT.

And was it UbiSoft's fault STEAM did NOT list the requirement on STEAM's game page??? Really???

Yeah, common sense is in this thread, just not in this post.
What is bolded is your information on the store's page saying it has another form of DRM besides steam. You said you read it over multiple times, but did you overlook that little piece of information. Also, he is right in that ubisoft is well known for having the most invasive DRM even on other sites, heck it was what gave them such a bad name last year although they have done slightly better with their latest releases. Also Anno 2070 was a big part of last years controversy as it was one of the games that had the always-online DRM and it made headlines because PAYING customers actually pirated the game to be able to play it offline. They have since patched it, but yes, I could understand someone making the comment about it being well known involving Ubisoft.

He might have put it a nicer way=)
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Neobr10: Why don't you blame Ubisoft instead? It's well known that Ubi's games use Uplay most of the time, which does require an Uplay account. And even then, the game page clearly states that the games does have third-party DRM. Also, Steam never promised to sell DRM-free games. If you didn't know already, Steam is not GOG.

Even if you buy the game from another sotre, it will still have the Uplay requirement.

"Title: Anno 2070™
Genre: Strategy
Developer: BlueByte , Related Designs
Publisher: Ubisoft
Release Date: 17 Nov 2011
Languages: English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Czech, Russian
3rd-party DRM: Solidshield Tages SAS
3 machine activation limit"
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Fictionvision: Actually, having a UPlay account isn't listed anywhere on the game's page as being a requirement. Where as other Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 3 do list needing a UPlay account.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208480/

Anno just lists a broadband connection required to activate the game. So he does have a point to go with when requesting a refund. He likely won't get it, or be told "This is your only one.", but the game's store page is missing UPlay in the requirements info.
Yes they should have listed Uplay but they did list a 3rd party DRM...so..at that point a person might have wanted to do some additional research. Good game though once you overlook some of its quirks.
Post edited December 23, 2012 by misfire200
Posted December 23, 2012
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Fictionvision: Actually, having a UPlay account isn't listed anywhere on the game's page as being a requirement. Where as other Ubisoft games like Assassin's Creed 3 do list needing a UPlay account.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208480/

Anno just lists a broadband connection required to activate the game. So he does have a point to go with when requesting a refund. He likely won't get it, or be told "This is your only one.", but the game's store page is missing UPlay in the requirements info.
THANK YOU.

I admit to not liking Steam, but I also try to be fair (see the my earlier posts in this very thread. In this instance, STEAM IS WRONG. And I should get a refund. Because it does NOT list this as a reqirement, and it should. Unless of course, Ubisoft games requiring an Ubisoft account is so widely known that no living human being should not realize that. I dunno, but I've got a feeling I'm not the only living human being that didn't realize that before tonight.
Posted December 23, 2012
For what it's worth, GamersGate generally does a pretty thorough job of making it explicit what DRM any given title has on their service has (if any). For example, the Anno 2070 page very clearly mentions that the game uses the Tages DRM system, and that a UPlay account is required. No other DD that I've seen has consistently gone out of their way to make sure their customers know about that little detail ("but no DRM is better" - calling it).

Also, the great, big Steam DRM list is your friend.
Posted December 23, 2012
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misfire200: What is bolded is your information on the store's page saying it has another form of DRM besides steam. You said you read it over multiple times, but did you overlook that little piece of information. Also, he is right in that ubisoft is well known for having the most invasive DRM even on other sites, heck it was what gave them such a bad name last year although they have done slightly better with their latest releases. Also Anno 2070 was a big part of last years controversy as it was one of the games that had the always-online DRM and it made headlines because PAYING customers actually pirated the game to be able to play it offline. They have since patched it, but yes, I could understand someone making the comment about it being well known involving Ubisoft.

He might have put it a nicer way=)
I did see the 3rd party thing, just as I saw the part saying a registration was needed. Silly me, I thought a the "3rd party DRM" was some sort of registration which meant inputting a code like you do when you register at Steam, so i thought perhaps I would have to input a code at some other website, which I had no problem with.

But if they expect you to join and be a member of another entity, that point should be made BEFORE purchase.
Post edited December 23, 2012 by OldFatGuy
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