Some things might have been made clearer, but on the other hand I personally like how the movie wasn't beating you over the head with everything. That a lot about the characters was between the lines, not explained outright. As to the "time distribution" thing, I didn't have much of a problem with it, other than maybe a little too much of setting up the future movies, but I do get what you're saying (maybe the extended cut on DVD will rectify some of that for you?). Like I said, it's not flawless, but at least it stumbles doing something different and somewhat ambitious.

I was expecting as much. Still, crossing 680 million it's no doing bad either, and before anyone claims the bad reviews are killing it, let's remember that Fury Road, possibly the most critically and audience acclaimed movie sine The Dark Knight, only made 377 million in it's entire round. There really is no simple connection between the movie's quality or it's reception and it's financial success.

The extended cut won't improve the movie when the problem is that most of it should be cut out, not more crammed in.

Fury Road was never released in China due to its rating, where movies make a lot of their money nowadays, BvS was. Fury Road was an entry in franchise dormant for 20 years, out of which I'd say two out of the three previous movies weren't very good, and BvS features two of the biggest pop culture icons in the last century.

Also, Batman Begins made less money in its opening weekend, and entire run, than Superman Returns. Yet due to their critical reception, Batman Begins was a success on home video and spawned two sequels, while Superman Returns was the end of its franchise.

No, it's not a simple case that good movies do well and bad ones do not, but the people who watched BvS in their first weekend, like you and I and all the people who preordered tickets, were going to watch it regardless of reviews. Everyone else read the reviews and stayed at home. The bad reviews are absolutely the reason for the box office drop for this movie, and the good reviews are the reason so many people bothered to watch a niche movie like Fury Road once it was available on Netflix, Amazon, etc. and are now clamoring for a sequel.

Also, 680 million is not very good at all, considering conservative estimates say Batman v Superman needs to make at least 800 million on the box office just to break even.

If that's true, then I don't get how hollywood is doing business at all anymore. I've been pointing at bloated budgets for a while now, but 800 million just to break even is ridiculous. I mean, it already made more money after the second weekend then the movie it's a sequel to made in it's entire run. In the US it already made more than Spectre, and that was a movie with the same budget, better reviews and a sequel to a movie that had much better reviews and much higher box office than Man of Steel. I really don't think we can speak of BvS performing poorly in the box office, rather about overblown expectations. Still, I'll be surprised if it doesn't cross that 800 million mark.

Anyway, I wasn't directly comparing Fury Road to BvS I was just pointing out that box office isn't simply good reviews=shitload of cash. And I wasn't talking about home video at all. Fury Road was just the first thing that came to my head, it's not a good comparison form any reasons, but we could list examples of pretty much every combination of reviews, audience reaction and box office results for the next two pages of this thread.

As expected Zack Snyder being a self proclaimed Batman fanboy really shortchanged Superman in this movie. First the big showdown went exactly as I predicted from the very first trailer, with Superman getting the shit kicked out of him like in the TDKR comic. So Batman was going to kill Superman just like that, unless Lois wasn't there to protect him. Going from choking Superman under his heel to besties because their Moms happen to have the same first name wasn't earned. The intent was good but the execution left a lot to be desired, it doesn't justify the animosity that Bats felt for Superman pent up for two years to simply disappear in an instant.

The main "villain" of the movie Alexander Luthor was without a doubt the worst part of the film, thanks in no small part to the borderline cartoonish performance of Jesse Eisenberg (complete with a theme straight out of Looney Tunes), who was just playing himself turned up to 11. So cringe worthy were his scenes that I would have preferred grating of nails on a chalkboard instead. To be fair though, its not all Eisenberg's fault because reading up on the behind the scenes, this is exactly the direction Zack Snyder wanted for this character.

Despite all of that I was with the movie because of how great the action and spectacle was along with the kickass Batman and Wonder Woman fight sequences, which are some of the best we have ever seen in live action. But, the ending is where Zack Snyder has botched it like a complete idiot. It was way too early for this, Superman isn't established enough as character for anyone to feel even remotely the sense of loss that they should upon losing such an iconic superhero. We needed atleast one more movie with Superman, a straight sequel without any other heroes crammed in there for a "sneak-peak preview" of the Justice League (the less said about the the terrible youtube snippets that we got of project "Meta_Human" the better).

This film is the absolute worst introduction to the DC universe for newcomers because all of it is just taking highlights from well renowned comic book arcs and shoe horning them all into a single movie. So unless you have read "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Death and Return of Superman" or atleast seen the far superior WB animated movies you aren't going to have a clue as to why you're supposed to give a shit about these characters. Warner Bros. in their race to catch up with Marvel and Zack with his juvenile ideas of what constitutes as"fun" are going to run this franchise into the ground before it even gets established.

I said it before but the real problem here is David S Goyer. I mean where do you get the thing that Snyder loves Batman?

I mean have you read comments from Goyer?

Goyer is a crappy writer and we all know that since Blade Trinity. The point is that Snyder has been wanting to adapt "The Dark Knight Returns" since the time of Watchmen's release and it was his desire to make that happen which resulted in this mixed blender of the greatest hits from important comicbook arcs instead of a proper Superman sequel first.

Here is him gushing about how amazing and awesome TDKR is in 2009.
www.firstshowing.net/2009/exclusive-zack-snyders-thoughts-on-adapting-dark-knight-returns/

Well, it is awesome. A comic book movie director praises a comic book! Truly, a terrible thing. If only they could have found someone who hates comic books.

Really, Batman v Superman is to TDKR what Batman Begins was to Year One and Dark Knight to Long Halloween and Dark Knight Rises to Knightfall. Taking ideas from comics as a very vague basis for movies, or taking scenes or quotes from comcis and using them in very different storylines in movies is not a new approach, and there is nothing wrong with it.

Actually, that's his impression of Max Landis, writer of Chronicle and American Ultra, a movie Eisenberg was in. Nobody knows why he decided to do an impression of Max Landis for his Lex Luthor performance though.

There is nothing wrong with the idea but a lot wrong with its interpretation in the hands of a mediocre director. Christopher Nolan indeed borrowed from the elements of different comics for The Dark Knight Trilogy as you just mentioned but there is vast difference of quality in execution, Nolan used them as inspiration for well defined story arcs with their own beginning, middle and end in each movie instead of just copy/pasting comic book panels as disjointed scenes that don't go anywhere like Zack Snyder did with BvS.
Now that you mention it, I do remember reading about that somewhere. Well it obviously wasn't a good choice because Max Landis is extremely annoying and not what one would associate with Lex Luthor.

And that best part about that is that Max Landis himself agrees with you.

Ok, I'm out :) the way I see it you're really just dead-set to hate Snyder and Goyer's work for no good reason ("it's not bad, unless Snyder does it- then it's bad because it's Snyder"), so there's really nothing for us to discuss.

Nope, I really like Watchmen and Man of Steel. It was only this movie that has made me realize that Snyder just doesn't care about compelling character or story arcs and is only interested in playing things up for shock value. I did like parts of Batman v Superman as well, that is the problem because in terms of individual scenes there are some great things in it, but overall it is a disappointment.

I really wish now that we could have seen George Miller's version of Justice League, which ironically I was actually glad at the time for not really coming together.

You all still on about this train wreck?

It's not going to work. Comic book movies are not going to get better. You can't play Mr Potatoehead with directors and comic book characters and expect anything but recycled tripe.

The only thing that could get better would be the movie going public's attitude towards overblown, mega budget piles of Hollywood trash. Whether or not that's going to happen is... who am I kidding. People are fecking retarded.

This movie has received praise and criticism.

But one thing that we all can agree on was that the absolute brutal, no-holds-barred, action-packed rescue of Martha by Batman was nothing but epic. He just goes all out and that is the best scene of the movie.

I'd say that, while Watchmen and Man of Steele were better movies, BvS was much better when it comes to having a character arc. I guess I was unfair to you, but still it doesn't look like we can agree on much about this movie (other than the cartoonishly bad Luthor).

At least we can mourn Miller's Justice League together. I was always unhappy with it not being made. And still I'd rather Justice League be given to Miller, while Snyder works on the next solo Superman movie.
You still trolling about a movie you haven't seen and a genre you don't like instead of doing anything else with your life?