Plenty of comics where both Bats and Supes are killing people. In animation movies/short series see Justice League: Gods and Monsters. In games, check Injustice (there is also a comic book series that is tied to the game). And that's the most recent stuff.

I like a dark story once in a while, but DC under Dan DiDio is horrible....Overuse of violence, the dismantling of the Crisis on Infinite Earths and the loss of any continuity of the DC Universe are just a few problems that i've seen developing under his reign...I seriously miss the DC built under Jenette Kahn's guidance...

P.S.: the New 52's Supes version, kills. Many of the heroes from New 52's are doing exactly the same...Modern comics....When heroes kill indiscriminately...

Will watch the movie next week, have to resist reading any spoiler until then. :/

Is modern Marvel comic books also guilty of this?

Also has the New 52 DC improved with following comics? I have heard mixed things about it at launch.

Has it gotten any better? Any good story arcs for Justice League?

Nope. Since 52's and New 52's, there are no visible improvements, the story arcs are confusing as hell, as they present characters from various realities.

And, yeah. Modern Marvel is also guitly of unjustified violence...And for Marvel is even worse, as they change iconic characters to suit the politically correctness. I have nothing against new characters that would cater to a certain crowd, but changing characters (like Fury, Spidey, Miss Marvel), just to please certain people, instead of creating brand new - seems wrong to me.

As for Justice League - the Injustice comicbook series and Gods and Monsters are actually good.

I still don't get why DC did not kept the Elseworlds brand to use it for alternate realities and pushed everything in the main continuity. They've destroyed Vertigo and Wildstorm brands, adding them to the DC Universe, plus a few others, less known, brands...

I admit the only thing of the new 52 I have read is the first 6 comic books of Justice League and I liked it and am intrigued to read more.

I loved JLI, developed by Keith Giffen(Lobo's daddy). But that was in times when DC gave a dime about its customers. Like a gazillion of years ago....

If anything, I think it got much worse since it started. Right after Flashpoint it was sort of hit and miss, some stuff really good (Wonder Woman), some ok (Justice League) and some total disasters (Green Arrow). But eventually it all went downhill, and pretty much every character got butchered to the point where I don't recognise or gice a damn about any of them.

Well, in Gods and Monsters Batman is literally a vampire, and in Injustice Superman goes insane and the other heroes try to stop him. It's not quite the same.

I haven't really read the New 52. I already have a love/hate thing with Superman and half of the time hate his stories anyway, then I saw him dangling a criminal from a rooftop threatening to drop him, I believe in the first issue, which already felt way out of character for him, so I didn't continue. Sad to hear they've gone even further.

Batman hasn't killed anyone, right? Wasn't that a point of contention between Damien and the rest of the Bat family? That he was willing to kill and they weren't? I'm really not up to date with those either. Been meaning to read Court of Owls for a long time and never got around to it, which should show how far behind I am.

Court/City of Owls was when I quit reading Batman. It was really bad, and together with all the New 52 changes to the supporting cast of Batman (Tim Drake was never Robin, neither was Stephenie Brown, Barbara Gordon is back to Batgirl and is acting like an airhead teenager etc.) it just made me realise that DC's ongoing "mainstream" universe is simply not for me anymore.

Why is it bad? I've heard nothing but good things so far.

I still plan to read it of course. I'm remembered of the animated movies where the ones people didn't like I usually did, and the ones they loved I always hated.

It's very predictable, and unoriginal. It feels like Hush and the Black Glove stuff from Morrison's run put together. Actually, most of Snyder's stuff in the New 52 is very much a rehash of plots and ideas from Morrison's run (and I was no fan of that to begin with). The first part (Court) is actually pretty decent to read, but when you read "City" you see just how lame it was all along. The main viallain's "twist" is just silly and feels like re-do of the Hush "twist" (which was already predictable back then).

Also, and this is maybe just me, but I I really don't like when something is written into an existing continuity, that is supposed to have always existed there, but obviously never did. If the Court sotoryline was done years later, after years of Scott Snyder subtly writing the Court into the going ons in Gotham, it might have worked. But instead they just show up as a fully formed "we have always been here" thing in the very first story that deals with them.

And finally- I just miss the times when Batman was fighting crime. Not super weird societies and cabals bent on defeating the Batman, which is practically all that's been going on since like 2007.

I get that. I really wish we could ever see in the movies Batman investigate a serial killer. Like Victor Zsasz, or Calendar Man. A story where neither the world nor the city are in mortal danger (which we know from the start will never come to fruition). Not even that many people are in danger either. Just a criminal, that will kill again if Batman doesn't find him first. It would also be an opportunity to show the supposed "World's Greatest Detective" earn his title, which we've never seen on screen.

Of course they won't though, this is a problem with Marvel as well, where every movie needs to put the world in "a greater danger than it has ever seen!". Like I said, I haven't kept up with the comics, too bad they're following the same formula.

That was always my wish as well. I'd love to see a Batman movie like Michael Mann's "Manhunter". There's some really good comics from mostly from the 90s and early 00s that could be adapted for something like that. Ironically enough I think there's better chance of seeing that in animated form then live action. Even that is unlikely now, with DC's animated movies moving more towards a "Marvel-like Cinematic Universe" of their own, mostly adapting New 52 stories.

To be fair, New52 Batman has been active for only about 5 years when the series starts (and no, it doesn´t make much sense considering he´s trained four Robins in that time). But in the new continuity, it wasn´t as jarring to find out about the Owls then, as oppossed to the older Batman who had been around far longer.

The thing is, Snyder was writing it as if there was no reboot at that point. There was even stuff that was rewritten for the collected editions, becasue the way it was in the single issues wasn't in line with the new continuity. It was actually happening a lot at that point in DC, where writers didn't even know what exactly changed and how. Green Lantern for example, Geoff Johns continued to write it as if nothing happened at all. And he was the guy who actually wrote the universe-altering Flashpoint. New 52 has always been a total mess.