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WinterSnowfall: A lot of people are biding their time I think, waiting to see how Zoom grows.
That's just it.....Zoom won't grow much if many people don't give it a chance and do business there.

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WinterSnowfall: It's still in its early years after all, and has had at least one unfortunate episode where GOG users were deemed too inquisitive for their own good by Zoom staff and dealt with rather harshly (told to mind their own business).
Tbh(compared to what some game companies say/think) that doesn't seem so bad. And even then, it was written by some unofficial mouthpiece.....it wasn't Zoom's "official statement/stance".

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WinterSnowfall: It is quite common in corporate space for independent small companies to be gobbled up when they grow. I don't see why this would play out differently as things stand. So let's call it an educated gut feeling at least.
That's why (imo) people should enjoy said companies while they're still in their early years, when they're less corporate. And, while doing so, gamers should try and do their best to use their money(purchases) and voice to try and keep the company honest/on the up and up.

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WinterSnowfall: In case this needed to be said: don't believe what random strangers post on a forum on the internet. Always make up your own mind about things. Expect other reasonable people to do the same.
If by random strangers you mean Link0, he is more or less working for Zoom....he's not some random stranger, as such.
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GamezRanker: That's just it.....Zoom won't grow much if many people don't give it a chance and do business there.
Well, that's really down to marketing and their approach to promoting themselves, don't you think? Or do you think a few obstinate people on this thread will do or undo Zoom's future? :P

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GamezRanker: If by random strangers you mean Link0, he is more or less working for Zoom....he's not some random stranger, as such.
No, I meant unaffiliated people such as you or I. I've mentioned Linko64's comments and clarifications are appreciated and he is doing a good job of being their community manager.
Post edited July 04, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: Well, that's really down to marketing and their approach to promoting themselves, don't you think? Or do you think a few obstinate people on this thread will do or undo Zoom's future? :P
If they have very little budget for marketing, then they'll need to depend a bit more on word of mouth advertising from others....which won't be as effective if so many(across the net in general, I mean) others keep saying things without proof like "i'm wary of that shady site Zoom, they seem to sell illegal copies of games".

Essentially, others (if they value DRM free) should try not to do/say things that could could "stall the plane" that is Zoom before it even properly takes off.

(this is called "poi-son-ing the well", I believe)

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WinterSnowfall: No, I meant unaffiliated people such as you or I. I've mentioned Linko64's commends and clarifications are appreciated and he is doing a good job of being their community manager.
Thanks for the clarification, and agreed. :)
Post edited July 04, 2021 by GamezRanker
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WinterSnowfall: I do not doubt the legality of their store, just what drives their key people, besides the obvious for-profit business ethos. It is quite common in corporate space for independent small companies to be gobbled up when they grow. I don't see why this would play out differently as things stand. So let's call it an educated gut feeling at least.
Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but given how 'corporate' GOG/CDPR have become in recent years, it strikes me as rather bizarre that you are happy to keep shopping at GOG but are suspicious of a new DRM-free store, because they might one day sell out and become corporate. To me, it sounds like the pot criticizing the kettle, because it might one day turn black ;-)

Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't?
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Time4Tea: Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't?
Also GOG has more games in one place......and a forum to talk on.....making it more attractive for some(generally speaking, I mean).
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Linko64: 1. Further Linux support is something we (again) looking into. We do want to cover Windows/Mac/Linux as much as we can, but i can't promise you a timeframe for Linux releases. But, be sure that we are working on it.
I know, but I just wanted to know the release date for that particular Linux version, for encyclopedic purposes. I have the release date of the Windows and Mac versions of Zone Raiders (thanks to a press release), but not for the Linux version (that was added at some point between 2020 and 2021).
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Linko64: 2. It really depends per game, as with a number of cases similar to this kinda of work. But just to be clear, everything is legal, there's no funny business going on else we would have been closed a long time ago...or Lance Boyle would have opened up a OnlyFans account by now!
It was just curiosity. A lot of source code for old games has been lost (according to Frank Cifaldi, "over 90 percent of pre-2000 gaming source code"), and I wanted to know if at least the Jordan Freeman Group had some of it.
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Time4Tea: it strikes me as rather bizarre that you are happy to keep shopping at GOG
That's quite the assumption you are making there...

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Time4Tea: Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't?
In a way. I don't see GOG or CDPR going anywhere else in terms of ownership. I remind you that we live in a world where big studios are being acquired like there's no tomorrow.

If you're a small store, current partners may very well become future owners.

I'm fully aware I am splitting hairs, but that's just my honest opinion. I've never hid behind a rock or said what people wanted to hear, even if it went against the tide, and I'm not about to begin now.

That being said, I'm not on a crusade against Zoom or any other store and I don't have any insider knowledge, which is what I meant with "you shouldn't believe anyone on the internet". I meant me primarily. Doubt is the basis of logic, after all, so treat what I say with a grain of salt.

If you want to back Zoom and buy games there, by all means, go ahead with my blessing. As if anyone needed it :).
Post edited July 04, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: I'm fully aware I am splitting hairs, but that's just my honest opinion. I've never hid behind a rock or said what people wanted to hear, even if it went against the tide, and I'm not about to begin now.
Just wanted to say that this is a decent stance and one I admire.

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WinterSnowfall: Doubt is the basis of logic.
True enough, but imo one should try to resolve said doubts if they can(to see if there's a solid basis for such and etc), so as to not hold onto them needlessly and/or for too long.

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Generally speaking, some healthy skepticism of something that seems amiss is a good & wise thing, but imho anyone continuing to doubt something even when it's shown that their doubts are likely/actually unfounded is being illogical rather than logical.
Post edited July 04, 2021 by GamezRanker
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Time4Tea: it strikes me as rather bizarre that you are happy to keep shopping at GOG
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WinterSnowfall: That's quite the assumption you are making there...

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Time4Tea: Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't?
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WinterSnowfall: In a way. I don't see GOG or CDPR going anywhere else in terms of ownership. I remind you that we live in a world where big studios are being acquired like there's no tomorrow.

If you're a small store, current partners may very well become future owners.

I'm fully aware I am splitting hairs, but that's just my honest opinion. I've never hid behind a rock or said what people wanted to hear, even if it went against the tide, and I'm not about to begin now.

That being said, I'm not on a crusade against Zoom or any other store and I don't have any insider knowledge, which is what I meant with "you shouldn't believe anyone on the internet". I meant me primarily. Doubt is the basis of logic, after all, so treat what I say with a grain of salt.

If you want to back Zoom and buy games there, by all means, go ahead with my blessing. As if anyone needed it :).
Stop bashing zoom, WinterSnowfall.

Try the site yourself. Take a chance, purchase a game, some of them are dirt cheap:all of them are DRM FREE and downloadable/independently executable.

All are licensed.

You have nothing to lose.

Then come back and give your impressions.
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lazydog: Stop bashing zoom, WinterSnowfall.
If you think what I've said so far qualifies as "bashing", then I won't be able to convince you otherwise anyway...

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GamezRanker: even when it's shown that their doubts are likely/actually unfounded is being illogical rather than logical.
I have not seen this "being shown" anywhere, nor can it be, since it's all speculation. I doubt even Linko64 is privy to Zoom's long term strategy. But I have been known to be an occasional lunatic, so don't mind me too much. As to people factually claiming Zoom eats children for breakfast (as Witchers are known to do, of course), nothing can be done about them.

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lazydog: Try the site yourself. [...]

Then come back and give your impressions.
I have had several looks over the years (otherwise I would not have commented on it in the first place), but nothing there interest me at this point.

I am unsure why people are now trying to convince me to support Zoom on a GOG forum of all places, so I will let myself out. I've already said anyone who wants to purchase games there is free to do so, it being a legitimate DRM-free game seller. I've just expressed the (speculative) doubts I had. Your mileage may vary, as it is with all things in life.
Post edited July 05, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
Huh, Zoom has Planet Alcatraz. Nice.
No one is bashing Zoom here. Some of us are saying that it's just too early to form an opinion on it based on current corporate "trends" that have been happening for years.
The thing is, there can never ever be any guarantees that any small, growing company won't at some point sell out and 'go corporate'. In fact, it seems to be an unfortunate fact of life that it is a 'price of success' and very few successful businesses seem to be able to resist those forces and stay independent.

So, if people are going to be suspicious of ZP, because they might one day sell out, then imo those people should never buy anything from any business, ever.
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Time4Tea: So, if people are going to be suspicious of ZP, because they might one day sell out, then imo those people should never buy anything from any business, ever.
The probability of a lone store being acquired by a major publisher is higher than that of a store that's already backed by a large game developer, wouldn't you say?

Let's not compare apples to oranges.

I have a feeling some people are just pretending they don't understand the nuances I'm highlighting. It's hardly a black and white picture I'm painting. I stand on the edge, without a horse in the race, and yet find myself polarized in the words of others. Perhaps these forums are not a sane place to be and discuss things after all.

Final point: if you're fine with backing up your DRM-free installers, losing any potential updates, support etc. and just walking away in case a store folds over, then all I've said is irrelevant to you. Pay no mind to any of it. This is a general problem with all digital distribution stores, though IMHO GOG is on much firmer footing at the moment.
Post edited July 05, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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lazydog: Stop bashing zoom, WinterSnowfall.
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WinterSnowfall: If you think what I've said so far qualifies as "bashing", then I won't be able to convince you otherwise anyway...

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GamezRanker: even when it's shown that their doubts are likely/actually unfounded is being illogical rather than logical.
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WinterSnowfall: I have not seen this "being shown" anywhere, nor can it be, since it's all speculation. I doubt even Linko64 is privy to Zoom's long term strategy. But I have been known to be an occasional lunatic, so don't mind me too much. As to people factually claiming Zoom eats children for breakfast (as Witchers are known to do, of course), nothing can be done about them.

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lazydog: Try the site yourself. [...]

Then come back and give your impressions.
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WinterSnowfall: I have had several looks over the years (otherwise I would not have commented on it in the first place), but nothing there interest me at this point.

I am unsure why people are now trying to convince me to support Zoom on a GOG forum of all places, so I will let myself out. I've already said anyone who wants to purchase games there is free to do so, it being a legitimate DRM-free game seller. I've just expressed the (speculative) doubts I had. Your mileage may vary, as it is with all things in life.
Totally understand your viewpoint.

However I would point out that there is a distinct difference between expressing an interest/disinterst in zoom and expressing a doubt regarding zoom in particular that can only be explained by your spidey sense.