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GamezRanker: Well Zoom has been independent for several years now(it's been around a lot longer than some think), and that's without a parent company boosting it with capital(like CDP/CDPR does for GOG).

That said, yeah...many companies go corporate....which is why imo the best time for others(generally speaking) to make use of them is early on.

Also: JFG?
Jordan Freeman Group.

But yeah, well put. Companies that get big are rotten pretty much by definition, it's how the market works. If they're to exist at all (and I'll stop here on that topic), small but with an established niche is the best place to be, since they have a chance to avoid those rotten practices if they want to, but also have good chances to last in time, assuming the customers making up said niche don't scatter. Zoom might well be right in there... Though they do need payment methods for those who don't have or don't want to use cards or accounts (what I call two steps from cash methods, you buy something with cash, either the store's own prepaid cards or Paysafecard, or some other similar thing, though I'm not aware of one around here, and then use it to make the purchase), and sales (maybe not at the level of competing with others but at the very least at GOG's original level of 50% off just about all the catalog twice per year, at least a game per week at ~60% off and some occasional others), and definitely a better site (but preferably not a "modern" one - a very functional but old-looking one would even fit them).

Also yep, people forget that Zoom Platform has been operating since 2014. It just never really got promoted, and seems to me that it wasn't intended to get bigger, at least not until recently, maybe. The owners seemed content to have it as something on the side of their main business, which also means very little effort and resources required for it, so little risk of it going under. And I also always saw that as something making it have very little risk of something dubious going on.
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VausG: As I see it, one DRM-free store is enough.
As long as the market exists, one business isn't enough in any sector, it can only be awful for customers.

That said, I look at Zoom as more of a place that may again champion the one-world-one-price value, which is gone from the market, if they'll keep that up. DRM free exists in plenty of other places.
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GamezRanker: Well Zoom has been independent for several years now(it's been around a lot longer than some think), and that's without a parent company boosting it with capital(like CDP/CDPR does for GOG).

That said, yeah...many companies go corporate....which is why imo the best time for others(generally speaking) to make use of them is early on.

Also: JFG?
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Cavalary: Jordan Freeman Group.

But yeah, well put. Companies that get big are rotten pretty much by definition, it's how the market works. If they're to exist at all (and I'll stop here on that topic), small but with an established niche is the best place to be, since they have a chance to avoid those rotten practices if they want to, but also have good chances to last in time, assuming the customers making up said niche don't scatter. Zoom might well be right in there... Though they do need payment methods for those who don't have or don't want to use cards or accounts (what I call two steps from cash methods, you buy something with cash, either the store's own prepaid cards or Paysafecard, or some other similar thing, though I'm not aware of one around here, and then use it to make the purchase), and sales (maybe not at the level of competing with others but at the very least at GOG's original level of 50% off just about all the catalog twice per year, at least a game per week at ~60% off and some occasional others), and definitely a better site (but preferably not a "modern" one - a very functional but old-looking one would even fit them).

Also yep, people forget that Zoom Platform has been operating since 2014. It just never really got promoted, and seems to me that it wasn't intended to get bigger, at least not until recently, maybe. The owners seemed content to have it as something on the side of their main business, which also means very little effort and resources required for it, so little risk of it going under. And I also always saw that as something making it have very little risk of something dubious going on.
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VausG: As I see it, one DRM-free store is enough.
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Cavalary: As long as the market exists, one business isn't enough in any sector, it can only be awful for customers.

That said, I look at Zoom as more of a place that may again champion the one-world-one-price value, which is gone from the market, if they'll keep that up. DRM free exists in plenty of other places.
I can confirm a new website is on the way, payment methods are being looked into as we speak!
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Linko64: I can confirm a new website is on the way, payment methods are being looked into as we speak!
Great to hear, alternative/more payment options might get me on board. :)
Post edited July 09, 2021 by NuffCatnip
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Linko64: I can confirm a new website is on the way, payment methods are being looked into as we speak!
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NuffCatnip: Great to hear, alternative/more payment options might get me on board. :)
Came for the payment method, stays for the sick MS paint skills
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NuffCatnip: Great to hear, alternative/more payment options might get me on board. :)
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Linko64: Came for the payment method, stays for the sick MS paint skills
Love seeing "DRM-free" in that image (fun image, besides). Please keep that specification nice and clear :)
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NuffCatnip: Great to hear, alternative/more payment options might get me on board. :)
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Linko64: Came for the payment method, stays for the sick MS paint skills
Monocled image! +1
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Linko64: Came for the payment method, stays for the sick MS paint skills
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rjbuffchix: Love seeing "DRM-free" in that image (fun image, besides). Please keep that specification nice and clear :)
In that case, have another!

But really, it'll always be part of any posts of such a nature :)
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Linko64: 1. Further Linux support is something we (again) looking into. We do want to cover Windows/Mac/Linux as much as we can, but i can't promise you a timeframe for Linux releases. But, be sure that we are working on it.
You can count me as another Linux user that would gladly start shopping at Zoom if only there were a bit more choice in native Linux games ;) (I might still go at Windows games, but I never pay more than 5~10$ for a game without a native Linux build)

I checked a free Windows game and saw it is using InnoSetup for the installer packaging. Is it the case of all Windows games? That would be nice, because we have reliable tools on Linux to handle such installers.
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Linko64: I can confirm a new website is on the way, payment methods are being looked into as we speak!
In May 2020, so over a year ago, I was given an estimate of 6-8 weeks for the new site to go live, and that new payment methods, specifically also including PSC, will be added. Then in October a barebones new site was up, was told it was decided that new features will be added gradually over the next 6 months, and they went back on the PSC promise saying it was decided it wasn't an option. Now, at least about the site, even those 6 months passed...
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Linko64: I can confirm a new website is on the way, payment methods are being looked into as we speak!
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Cavalary: In May 2020, so over a year ago, I was given an estimate of 6-8 weeks for the new site to go live, and that new payment methods, specifically also including PSC, will be added. Then in October a barebones new site was up, was told it was decided that new features will be added gradually over the next 6 months, and they went back on the PSC promise saying it was decided it wasn't an option. Now, at least about the site, even those 6 months passed...
I believe the site from right now is what they meant. It was never meant to be the final website but more of a small update in the mean time while the "real" website is being done. They are a small company sort of like a startup so it will take a while, as someone familiar with web coding and design I can see how things like deadlines can change.
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Linko64: 1. Further Linux support is something we (again) looking into. We do want to cover Windows/Mac/Linux as much as we can, but i can't promise you a timeframe for Linux releases. But, be sure that we are working on it.
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vv221: You can count me as another Linux user that would gladly start shopping at Zoom if only there were a bit more choice in native Linux games ;) (I might still go at Windows games, but I never pay more than 5~10$ for a game without a native Linux build)

I checked a free Windows game and saw it is using InnoSetup for the installer packaging. Is it the case of all Windows games? That would be nice, because we have reliable tools on Linux to handle such installers.
Windows is all Innosetup, Linux tar.gz, hope this helps!

The plan is to offer as many of the existing library to linux/mac to ensure we have a good coverage for users reagurdless of their preference

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Linko64: I can confirm a new website is on the way, payment methods are being looked into as we speak!
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Cavalary: In May 2020, so over a year ago, I was given an estimate of 6-8 weeks for the new site to go live, and that new payment methods, specifically also including PSC, will be added. Then in October, a barebones new site was up, was told it was decided that new features will be added gradually over the next 6 months, and they went back on the PSC promise saying it was decided it wasn't an option. Now, at least about the site, even those 6 months passed...
As you'd expect with the size we are, a lot of things come slowly or other things take priority relevant to events of the time. We have made a few changes in 2020 to the core sight, but the big changes are still in the works and should be ready soon (is soon trademarked by the industry at this point?) But it is coming...soon :)
Post edited July 10, 2021 by Linko64
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Cavalary: In May 2020, so over a year ago, I was given an estimate of 6-8 weeks for the new site to go live, and that new payment methods, specifically also including PSC, will be added. Then in October a barebones new site was up, was told it was decided that new features will be added gradually over the next 6 months, and they went back on the PSC promise saying it was decided it wasn't an option. Now, at least about the site, even those 6 months passed...
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Truth007: I believe the site from right now is what they meant. It was never meant to be the final website but more of a small update in the mean time while the "real" website is being done. They are a small company sort of like a startup so it will take a while, as someone familiar with web coding and design I can see how things like deadlines can change.
The website as-is now was a complete rewrite, to allow for the future features that were wanted. So rewrite and get feature comparable to old site was the plan. Once that was sorted then it was then improve and refine.

PSC has transaction fees of 10-15% dependant on volume and they want a huge deposit as its used for fraud so much. So it isn't an option.
Post edited July 10, 2021 by SlackR84
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Linko64: Windows is all Innosetup, Linux tar.gz, hope this helps!
Sounds good, standard installers/archives is a big upside compared to Humble Bundle or itch.io ;)

I’m going to check if I can easily add support for a couple Zoom installers to ./play.it, as we are always looking for more DRM-free stores to support.
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SlackR84: PSC has transaction fees of 10-15% dependant on volume and they want a huge deposit as its used for fraud so much. So it isn't an option.
Well, I'm not aware of any other payment method I can use, unless they'll start selling their own prepaid cards.
Then again, this one is becoming less usable as well, with exchange fees increased by 50% and the time to use the amount halved... And if this practice of requiring the account that was already implemented in some countries will end up being imposed here too, I won't see it as an option anymore at all anyway.
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Linko64: Windows is all Innosetup, Linux tar.gz, hope this helps!
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vv221: Sounds good, standard installers/archives is a big upside compared to Humble Bundle or itch.io ;)

I’m going to check if I can easily add support for a couple Zoom installers to ./play.it, as we are always looking for more DRM-free stores to support.
Get in touch with me if you need anything from our side.
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SlackR84: PSC has transaction fees of 10-15% dependant on volume and they want a huge deposit as its used for fraud so much. So it isn't an option.
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Cavalary: Well, I'm not aware of any other payment method I can use, unless they'll start selling their own prepaid cards.
Then again, this one is becoming less usable as well, with exchange fees increased by 50% and the time to use the amount halved... And if this practice of requiring the account that was already implemented in some countries will end up being imposed here too, I won't see it as an option anymore at all anyway.
Get in touch with what options actually are available, I will see what is possible.
Post edited July 10, 2021 by SlackR84