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Truth007: You are hating and trolling but keeping it suttle, it's pretty obvious.
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WinterSnowfall: *Sigh* If that is how it came across, I apologize, but I was only trying to argumentatively present my opinion on the future state of things. I usually have an aloof laissez-faire attitude, yet I was trying to make some fair points not mock anyone or anything. It is fine to have a different opinion and disagree with me, however, as I said before I have no particular hate nor love of Zoom. I also regard having more players in the DRM-free space as a good thing.

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Truth007: Everything you said can happen with gog too literally.
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WinterSnowfall: ... and I have admitted as much. GOG however is already "corporately acquired" by CDPR, so the risk of it or CDPR changing hands in the future is rather low IMHO. Essentially, yes, this is a common problem, but on different scales - that was really my point.

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GamezRanker: Question: let's say the head of the company posted here.....would you doubt their words as well or no?
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WinterSnowfall: If he came out and said he does not intend to sell Zoom or the JFG? No, I would not doubt them. But that does not mean it can not happen, since this is how the industry operates. There have been stores out there that have managed to remain independent, such as Itch.io, but I do not get that niche intention from Zoom to be honest. Again, only time will tell, and I have absolutely no problem if my speculations are proven wrong. As others have pointed out, this is hardly a concern for most people anyway.

I will refrain from expressing any thoughts about these topics in the future, since obviously this has irked people beyond measure for some reason.
Posting this as a user, not anyone connected to Zoom etc

Posting a view that makes people reply in such way is not a problem. You've got a reason for feeling in such a way, there's no reason not to express that.

As someone connected to Zoom (no, not that one) it's our job to switch the gut feeling. Though, i would say Itch is not the best example to compare as we fix up older titles rather than simply just host games. But like i said, hopefully one day the gut will turn to a positve feeling!
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VausG: …snip
As I see it, one DRM-free store is enough.
— this is ok as long as that store is doing what you want, remains open, and releases things you are interested in though. If you were happy with one status quo, why not stay with steam, bigger catalog, more established etc…

And you might as well stick with the established one that more or less pioneered the whole thing and despite the few questionable decisions/gaffes/shortcomings over the years - that have yet to significantly affect my personal experience with GOG and make me leave for greener pastures - still has the necessary reputation making it more likelier to stay around and continue to slowly but surely grow for years to come.
— well, not sure they pioneered it so much. Some a niche and exploited perhaps. DRM is something which gets added to a product, products were available before without drm. And lots of other work had been done on compatability before gog, dosbox for example, drm removal patches etc.

As long as there are offline installers, a continuous influx of new as well as old classic games and Galaxy staying optional and the fuck out of my singleplayer experience I'm sticking around, exclusively.
— it’s not optional in an increasing amount of instances, even offline installers contain parts of galaxy.

Especially now that GOG seemingly continues to make an effort to make good on and correct past mistakes by bringing formerly rejected games such as Agony on board.
— could you give one example of where gog has made an effort/fixed something. I can off the bat give you quite a few where they did not. Forums, broken, search, broken, changelogs, not present/not update/obfuscated, no ability to download older versions or patches, removed content and compatability from newer versions, feature parity withother stores lacking, poorly optimised installers lacking decent compression, dreadful communication, “galaxy day”, the list goes on.

Sorry to seem a bit harsh, but you have only been here a year, and surely you must have seen all this already?
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lazydog: In terms of a purely informative post I would like to say that I have in the past purchased games from zoom, downloaded and backed them up with absolutely no problems.

I do wish people would stop bashing zoom and just go out and try it.

Genuine competition to GOG is healthy!
Indeed.

Any store that provides proper DRM-Free, should get encouragement and support for doing that.
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GamezRanker: Didn't you hear about the small handful of games that more or less need galaxy to run in SP(due to bugs and etc mostly, iirc)?
(I forget the link to the thread listing them, but i'm guessing another gogger will eventually see this and link it here)
This one?
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lazydog: In terms of a purely informative post I would like to say that I have in the past purchased games from zoom, downloaded and backed them up with absolutely no problems.

I do wish people would stop bashing zoom and just go out and try it.

Genuine competition to GOG is healthy!
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Timboli: Indeed.

Any store that provides proper DRM-Free, should get encouragement and support for doing that.
So new games suck now huh?
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Timboli: Indeed.

Any store that provides proper DRM-Free, should get encouragement and support for doing that.
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Crevurre: So new games suck now huh?
what do you mean?
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Crevurre: So new games suck now huh?
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Truth007: what do you mean?
That guy posted in other threads contradicting the op of those threads that games were bad now or boring, by saying they were good.....now here he is saying DRM which is a core feature of new games, is not good. This contradicts his point that new games are good.
Post edited July 05, 2021 by Crevurre
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Truth007: what do you mean?
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Crevurre: That guy posted in other threads contradicting the op of those threads that games were bad now or boring, by saying they were good.....now here he is saying DRM which is a core feature of new games, is not good. This contradicts his point that new games are good.
To be fair not all new games have drm. It's mainly the free to play games or if it's straight up an online only game. Many new games are drm free.
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GamezRanker: Didn't you hear about the small handful of games that more or less need galaxy to run in SP(due to bugs and etc mostly, iirc)?
(I forget the link to the thread listing them, but i'm guessing another gogger will eventually see this and link it here)
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HappyPunkPotato: This one?
All I see there are around ten examples of games needing third party accounts, anticheats, cosmetics, rewards and some bugs.

Is it an enough reason to create debate every day?

Sometimes I see DRM.
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GamezRanker: They're bringing Agony here? Since when?
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DoomSooth: https://twitter.com/World_of_Agony/status/1409947807616835596

Agony and Succubus are coming.
Holy faq!!!!! When?
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M3troid: Holy faq!!!!! When?
Hard to say. Succubus was supposed to be released later this month but now it's been delayed until September. They might have been planning to release both here at the same time. We'll either get Agony this month or they'll possibly release both as a bundle in September.
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WinterSnowfall: I also regard having more players in the DRM-free space as a good thing.
Agreed/well said

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WinterSnowfall: GOG however is already "corporately acquired" by CDPR, so the risk of it or CDPR changing hands in the future is rather low IMHO.
But GOG can still(and in some ways has) become more corporate over time(in it's decisions/stances/etc).

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WinterSnowfall: If he came out and said he does not intend to sell Zoom or the JFG? No, I would not doubt them. But that does not mean it can not happen, since this is how the industry operates. There have been stores out there that have managed to remain independent, such as Itch.io, but I do not get that niche intention from Zoom to be honest.
Well Zoom has been independent for several years now(it's been around a lot longer than some think), and that's without a parent company boosting it with capital(like CDP/CDPR does for GOG).

That said, yeah...many companies go corporate....which is why imo the best time for others(generally speaking) to make use of them is early on.

Also: JFG?


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HappyPunkPotato: This one?
That seems to be it...thanks for linking it.
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Crevurre: That guy posted in other threads contradicting the op of those threads that games were bad now or boring, by saying they were good.....now here he is saying DRM which is a core feature of new games, is not good. This contradicts his point that new games are good.
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Truth007: To be fair not all new games have drm. It's mainly the free to play games or if it's straight up an online only game. Many new games are drm free.
Control is DRM-free on Epic i believe? DRM is in most releases, but not all. Gotta *cough* protect those *cough* week one sales!
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Truth007: To be fair not all new games have drm. It's mainly the free to play games or if it's straight up an online only game. Many new games are drm free.
Interestingly that shows I'm right and newer games suck, because no one is bothering to priate them since the DRM isn't being used.
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Crevurre: So new games suck now huh?
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Truth007: what do you mean?
I'd just ignore him. This is a thread about a proclaimed development at the ZOOM Platform and some DRM-Free aspects.

He's clearly bored and attempting to stir up ill conceived controversy ... much like a troll.

If you hadn't quoted him, I wouldn't even know what he wrote.