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macuahuitlgog: Some weeks after I bought a Wii, I felt Nintendo went WiiWii on me. The lack of good games(in my opinion), not being able to play Gamecube games, the bad graphics. So many reasons why I regretted purchasing a Wii. What does the WiiU offer that makes it better than the Wii? Better graphics, that's it? Is the WiiU going to be a console for kids and girls like the Wii is?
Removing backwards compability on newer Wii models was a really stupid mistake by Nintendo. And i seriously don't understand why. It isn't like GC compability is that expensive, since Wii and GC have exactly the same hardware, except for more efficient components on the Wii and slightly higher clocked GPU. Are the controller and memory cards inputs that expensive to justify removing backwards compability entirely? Look, i love Nintendo, but i have to admit that sometimes they take decisions that i just can't understand. They are kind of stubborn. Just like the stupid decision to region-lock their consoles. C'mon Nintendo, wake up, we are not in 1980 anymore, there are many people who like to play import games.

About the graphics i have to disagree with you. Yes, they are terrible when compared to other consoles, but this isn't unexpected, is it? The Wii has always been the cheapest console this generation, you really couldn't expect a PS3 hardware level on such low price point. And to be honest i don't think that it matters that much. Some Wii games still manage to please my eyes thanks to their beautiful art. Nintendo's games are artistically really beautiful, despite the very limited hardware. Nintendo is the king when it comes to making first-party titles.

About the lack of good games, oh well, this is an issue. There are many good games if you search carefully through the masses of shovelware. The problem is that pretty much everything that doesn't come from Nintendo sucks. You can count on your fingers how many good third-party games there are. Oh, and multiplatform games suck on the Wii, and i haven't found any exception to this rule.
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BrakoVonDoom: The wii sold a shed load of consoles to the novelty gaming family. It gets unboxed and boxed back up again for one day of the year, and they didn't buy any games other than what came as the bundle pack.
True, the Wii had a terrible attach rate exactly because of it's casual appeal. Casual gamers don't buy as many games as hardcore gamers. But Nintendo is trying to address this issue on Wii U. So far, they seem to have achieved a decent amount of support from third-party developers. There will be Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Darksiders 2, Metro Last Light, Aliens Colonial Marines on Wii U, and those are only the ones i recall right now, there are probably other titles i forgot. If i recall correctly even Bioshock Infinite will be released on the Wii U.

It's still too early to judge, but so far they are looking really good.
Post edited August 11, 2012 by Neobr10
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StingingVelvet: I view Nintendo stuff like Disney stuff. I liked it as a kid but have no idea why so many people can't let go as adults. I tried to play the Wii Mario and Zelda games and they were fucking terrible.

That's just me though.

So yeah, no real interest in a WiiU.
This. They've always been obsessed with gimmicks too. Most of their games are casual kiddie stuff.
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OmegaX: Today I preordered The Last Story because of the great reviews and because it took a lot of effort from the fans until somebody got it localized and brought it to America.
Oh yeah, this pisses me off. Nintendo of America sucks, they are probably ran by a bunch of retards. Seriously, these games had european versions, which mean they had english translations already, so why take so long to release them in AMerica? If at least there weren't those fucking stupid region-locks that wouldn't be an issue, as long as there was an english version. Now, guess what? People with modded consoles have been able to play these games since they were released in other territories, because pirated games can be ran on any region. Nice one Nintendo, giving pirates more advantages than your loyal consumers.

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OmegaX: You must have bought one of those Wii Family Edition because I got mine years ago and it plays Gamecube games just fine. Last, the graphics are relative. The console itself can't output at HD resolutions but after watching Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess in action I doubt many will say those games don't have outstanding art direction.
I bought my Wii on release, so it has GC compability too, but if i recall correctly every Wii produced recently had GC compability removed.
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scampywiak: This. They've always been obsessed with gimmicks too. Most of their games are casual kiddie stuff.
Are you fucking kidding me? Since when are Zelda, Mario, Pikmin, Kirby, Starfox and DK casual kiddie stuff? They are far from being casual games. And they are not "kiddie stuff". The fact that these games share a child-friendly artistic design doesn't mean that they're targeted exclusively at kids.

Man, gamers nowadays seem to think that every game that doesn't have guts and blood everywhere is for kids. Because COD games are really mature, right?
Post edited August 11, 2012 by Neobr10
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StingingVelvet: I view Nintendo stuff like Disney stuff. I liked it as a kid but have no idea why so many people can't let go as adults.
Because these games are fun, regardless of the player's age.

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StingingVelvet: I tried to play the Wii Mario and Zelda games and they were fucking terrible.

That's just me though.

So yeah, no real interest in a WiiU.
That's just you, indeed.
Well I was kid when playing Zelda and Metroid. Great games for that time, but they don't need a zillion sequels and Nintendo is the worst when it comes to milking IP's. Also, as an adult, those games just don't cut for me anymore.
Post edited August 11, 2012 by scampywiak
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Neobr10: Because these games are fun, regardless of the player's age.
I don't think they're fun. I remember swimming in Mario Galaxy with horrible controls trying to grab some coin and thinking it was God damn torturous.
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Neobr10: Oh yeah, this pisses me off. Nintendo of America sucks, they are probably ran by a bunch of retards. Seriously, these games had european versions, which mean they had english translations already, so why take so long to release them in AMerica? If at least there weren't those fucking stupid region-locks that wouldn't be an issue, as long as there was an english version. Now, guess what? People with modded consoles have been able to play these games since they were released in other territories, because pirated games can be ran on any region. Nice one Nintendo, giving pirates more advantages than your loyal consumers.
Yes, it pisses everyone off, believe me. At least XSEED, the company the is publishing The Last Story on America, is making an awesome special edition for preorderers:

http://thelaststorywii.com/special.html

I hope I could get the OST with it too but unfortunately Amazon nor GameSpot will send digital media here. The excuse is some BS law but CD Universe ships to South America no problem so Amazon must be mistaking my country for Cuba or something.
Post edited August 11, 2012 by OmegaX
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scampywiak: Well I was kid when playing Zelda and Metroid. Great games for that time, but they don't need a zillion sequels and Nintendo is the worst when it comes to milking IP's. Also, as an adult, those games just don't cut for me anymore.
It seems to be a Japanese issue with milking products. I'm to thsi day they are releasing Street Fighter II with different skins etc.

Japanese gaming tends to have an original game which is amazing, then sadly they kill it with new so called versions of the game, sometimes twice in the same year.
I love Nintendo, but I can only take so much Mario, Zelda, and Metroid before I want to see something new. I hope they'll branch out a little more than they have in the past with this console.
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scampywiak: Well I was kid when playing Zelda and Metroid. Great games for that time, but they don't need a zillion sequels and Nintendo is the worst when it comes to milking IP's. Also, as an adult, those games just don't cut for me anymore.
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BrakoVonDoom: It seems to be a Japanese issue with milking products. I'm to thsi day they are releasing Street Fighter II with different skins etc.
New versions of Street Fighter II are not sequels. They are just improved versions, and they are not advertised as new games.

An example of milking an IP would be something like Call of Duty, which gets a sequel every single year. Activision is not a Japanese company, btw.
Street Fighter is an exception because Capcom is committed to a better version every time, and so far there hasn't been a major innovation in the fighting game genre - 2-D fighters are still the pinnacle. But Mario and Zelda, how many of those games do we need?

Meh.. it just comes down to the fact Nintendo makes casual, family friendly games.
Post edited August 11, 2012 by scampywiak
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BrakoVonDoom: It seems to be a Japanese issue with milking products. I'm to thsi day they are releasing Street Fighter II with different skins etc.
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doady: New versions of Street Fighter II are not sequels. They are just improved versions, and they are not advertised as new games.

An example of milking an IP would be something like Call of Duty, which gets a sequel every single year. Activision is not a Japanese company, btw.
You consider the same game with perhaps 1 or 2 characters to be more of an improvement than the yearly CoD games which atleast offer an entirely new story and setting ?
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scampywiak: Well I was kid when playing Zelda and Metroid. Great games for that time, but they don't need a zillion sequels and Nintendo is the worst when it comes to milking IP's. Also, as an adult, those games just don't cut for me anymore.
Milking IPs? I don't think we are talking about the same company here. Nintendo makes one or 2 games at best for their IPs each generation. There is usually one Mario game (with the exception of Wii, which had 2 bigger Mario titles and one New Super Mario Bros), 2 Zelda games, one Mario Kart, one Super Smash Bros, 2 Metroid games and one DK game.

At the same time, we have had 4 Gears of War titles (counting Judgement), 4 Forza (counting Horizon which hasn't been released yet), 4 Halo (including Halo 4), 8 COD games (so far, since this is released every year), 3 Uncharted's, and the list goes on. Yet Nintendo is the one milking IPs? Doesn't look like this is the case.

Unless you're saying that there are a lot of games for each Nintendo's IP, which is true, since these IPs are very old and are released on both consoles and handhelds. But that would be like saying that Konami is milking MGS because these series have been going since the MSX.
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OmegaX: I hope I could get the OST with it too but unfortunately Amazon nor GameSpot will send digital media here. The excuse is some BS law but CD Universe ships to South America no problem so Amazon must be mistaking my country for Cuba or something.
Yes, i wish Amazon would ship to South America, because they have the lowest prices for games. They do not ship to Brazil either, in case you're wondering. I usually buy my console games from either CD-universe or Playasia. Playasia stocks games from every region (including NTSC/U) and they even state whether the games are region-free or not (especially in the case of the Xbox 360, in which some games are reion-free and some aren't). They have some nice sales every week. I just bought Shadows of the Damned for PS3 a few weeks ago there for 17 dollars. It takes a bit long to arrive, though, especially here in Brazil, since our customs are very slow.
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scampywiak: Meh.. it just comes down to the fact Nintendo makes casual, family friendly games.
Please, give us your brilliant new definition of casual games. Calling Mario and Zelda casual games is just too fucking stupid. Maybe you just don't like them, which is fine, but these are not casual games anywhere except in your imagination.
Post edited August 12, 2012 by Neobr10
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How is Mario and that princess? Jumping on mushrooms?

So much meat there for adults..
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Neobr10: Yes, i wish Amazon would ship to South America, because they have the lowest prices for games. They do not ship to Brazil either, in case you're wondering. I usually buy my console games from either CD-universe or Playasia. Playasia stocks games from every region (including NTSC/U) and they even state whether the games are region-free or not (especially in the case of the Xbox 360, in which some games are reion-free and some aren't). They have some nice sales every week. I just bought Shadows of the Damned for PS3 a few weeks ago there for 17 dollars. It takes a bit long to arrive, though, especially here in Brazil, since our customs are very slow.
Yeah, I've bought from Play Asia on occasion. I like that they send me a discount coupon every Christmas so I wait until then to buy stuff from them. They usually stock on accessories that nobody else has but their US games are usually more expensive than on CD Universe. I remember getting a couple of japanese white gamecube controllers and the 20th Mario anniversary gameboy micro for cheap.

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scampywiak: How is Mario and that princess? Jumping on mushrooms?

So much meat there for adults..
God forbid and adult could enjoy a game for its gameplay instead of having to watch hours of cutscenes and scripted scenes in a generic middle east setting.
Also, if you think the Metroid Prime series is kiddie then I pity you.
Post edited August 12, 2012 by OmegaX