While I'll likely get a Wii U, I have a feeling this is Nintendo's last shot at impressing gamers. They are becoming predictable, and I feel like gamers are losing interest. Look at Microsoft and Sony, who rely on 3rd parties for their killer apps. We've gotten new IP's over the years like Uncharted, Gears of War, etc that have kept interest in both systems and games. Nintendo doesn't want a killer app from a 3rd party. They keep relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario to sell their consoles, and given the lack of enthusiasm the Wii U seems to be getting compared to the previous systems, I think even Nintendo diehards are starting to lose faith.

3rd party content will make or break the Wii U. They need to grab people from the Sony and MS camp by telling them that they can do everything just as good if not better. Hell, I'm likely going to buy one just for Colonial Marines so I can use the controller as a motion tracker, but they need to actually keep the support rather than dropping it once people have bought the console.

You know I had a thought that if they made DAO On the Wii U using the touch screen like you would a keyboard and mouse I can honestly say I wouldn't mind trying that out.

I don't understand the need to cut down a system that someone has never played. We don't know the specs. The exact specs of everything the wii had still hasn't been released. What we do know is that it has a IBM triple core processer and a Nvidia video card. That is all we really know.and that could still change. I read that it is more powerful then the ps3 is, but guess what I don't know if that's the truth either. Game companies are not taking full advantage of hardware on the systems that are out in the market for the most part. So how can you say that it is a ridiculous system with out trying it yet? You I know have a magic time machine to go into the future and play the machine and tell us how good it is or not. Back to the point why the hate ;)

The new wiiu looks not so bad, but this time it has strong competition from kinect. so I bet on a moderate success albeit not on a breakthrough. again from the looks I really like it, being a hardcore PC player and using consoles really only for casual games.

Nintendo is the Apple of the console world. It's going to sell a bajillion copies on brand recognition alone.

The hate is because Nintendo is showing a pattern of offering gimmicks and not understanding the majority of gamers. Also, it's being made to compete with current gen hardware that is already 5-6 years old. It's no secret that Sony and Microsoft are developing new consoles, and by the time the Wii U is actually released, the other two might be finalizing their designs for the next generation of consoles.

Long story short, Nintendo is lagging behind. They aren't offering stuff that's really exciting to the majority of gamers, and they are late to the party with an HD console.

That being said, we'll see how Nintendo approaches this, and see if they follow the trend.

They've sold to more gamers than damn near all other consoles combined.

People like to ignore this because they didn't sell those consoles to "real" gamers, by their estimation.

That said those people have a point in that the Wii is largely irrelevant to publishers of shooters, Western RPGs and other games people like me enjoy. In effect you can really ignore the Wii when talking about who "won" this generation for those genres.

They don't understand the <span class="bold">majority</span> of gamers. They understand a specific demographic of gamers...children. The adults who buy the games are long time fans of existing franchises, or interested in casual games only. They routinely ignore the rest of gamers, offering them very few titles, leaving them to buy 360's or PS3's.

The Wii U is making an effort to change this. How far they take it is anybody's guess.

Also to StingingVelvet, I think the category of JRPG's has also been rather stagnant on the Wii, which is surprising since I played them constantly on the NES and SNES growing up. Most of the JRPG's seem to be developed for 360 or PS3, I'd assume more for PS3 given the Japanese favor it.

Weird. I thought there were a lot of them on the Wii, but then honestly I wasn't really paying attention. I loved JRPGs as a kid on the NES and SNES, but other than Final Fantasy I have largely ignored them since then.

When you're definition of gamer is "someone who doesn't play the Wii" then you're right.

That part would be due to a grudge held by Square-Enix against them for sticking to cartridges. Though, Dragon Quest X is coming for Wii iirc.

Also, Nintendo's first party mainstays are rather fun, and the fact that Nintendo is an actual game company as opposed to a company that makes other things and just happens to make games.

I think I made it abundantly clear what I meant in my post above.

EDIT: Also attached is how many Wii games I actually own. Guess which ones are mine and which ones are my wife's. Not shown is Twilight Princess. Now compare it to the rest of the PS2 games you see, and you'll see why I have so little.

I am also not the one responsible for the POS Dragon Ball Z game, or all the Gamecube games. I will take responsibility for DDR and Rule of Rose however :P

Well, if you knock the things that were bundled with something else off the list, the top 4 are:

New Super Mario Bros. Wii (21.94 million)
Wii Fit Plus (18.49 million)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (9.48 million)
Super Mario Galaxy (8.84 million)

Three of those are great games, and I'm insulted that you deem me not a 'proper' gamer for enjoying them.

Who outnumber the adults not interested in casual games, so their not necessarily a bad demographic to target. Unless you're worried about gaming "purity".

Hell, I don't think a console that just targets children is bad either. It's not like it would prevent the creation of XBox, PS3, and PC games. Does every game have to cater to 18-30 years old shooter and WRPG fans?

Also, Nintendo has been using gimmicky peripherals for years, so it's not like any of this is new.

I hope Nintendo are not trying to purposely cater to the core gaming crowd. They tried and failed at that with the Nintendo 64 and GameCube. That's what caused them to create the Wii in the first place!

Edit: I also sort of wish that for the Wii Nintendo didn't keep throwing bones to its existing fanbase with its franchise games and instead focused on the their true flagship title: Wii Sports.