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Robette: this somewhat illustrates the base ambivalence of the internet and how spaces that might feel public are in fact privately owned (like the GOG forums).
Nice reflection. Also, USENET forums are gone now... Is there any kind of replacemente in the WWW? A public one.

On topic: Forum guidelines are generic enough. Then, of course they are to be interpreted. Then, of course people with a penchant for trolling do things like: following the letter but not the spirit of the text describing the guidelines; accusing others of not respecting the letter (even if they follow the spirit) of that same text; getting as close to "the line" as possible, then crossing the line, then crossing the line back again, then loudly complaining about being banned, then loudly complaining about another username being banned... Nothing even remotely new. And they are right. Why? Because so far they have been able to get away with it. And if somehow a ban befalls one of them, it is going to be just what, a couple of months?

Going on a leg, it might be that a part of the concern that nightcraw1er.488 has is about the style of moderation that is going to be used: More people dedicated to moderation sounds good. Will that be enough? Is their moderation style going to be any different from what we have seen so far? Because more moderators might mean less threads left unwatched. Just that. So what then?

What will it take to make the general forum something like what it used to be? As in: less trolly, more useful, better signal-to-noise ratio, more fun to read. And no, trolling does not equate fun, unless you are into it yourself. It is just noise.

Good luck to the new moderators. Hopefully you will always be backed by your employer.

Peace.
Post edited January 18, 2020 by Carradice
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its difficult because culture. for example australians seem verrr rude. but then peeps are not robots so y'know mods wll do teh best they can

its all gud
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Telika: Just to avoid any misunderstanding about gog moderation and hate speech :

Here are the avatars that are deemed perfectly fantastically okay on this website. Don't post anything political in the text part of the forum though, because a code of conduct is supposed to apply there, and it can't be solely used against those who point out these avatars. It would end up showing (oh wait).

Keep it up, gog. Nobody left on the forums to mind, anyway.
Not sure what to make of that document (published when the tory Theresa May was prime minister) They put together Swastikas with Greenpeace. Hello?

But it is true that avatars featuring symbols related to some of those in the very first section of that document (e. g. akin to that "make Britain great again") have been allowed so far, apparently.
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MadalinStroe: If one of the people involved is offended, then it wasn't friendly banter. Until now, the mods seem to have done a good job.
Or that other person is just easily offended.

If I may be blunt/honest: i've had it happen where I was on topic and discussing topics civilly and then was critical of someone's opinions and they got offended....so yes, it was friendly, but it seems some just cannot take criticism(even civil) in today's social climes.

And it's not just me....others who are very obviously not trying to get under the other's skin will say something critical yet civil and be accused of being everything the other can think of as the person who got offended seemingly couldn't discern criticism from trolling/etc.

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ReynardFox: "Hate speech"

There is objectively no such definable thing, only arbitrary, subjective definitions. This is something that can only be enforced on the whims and feelings of the observer. No one can be (or should be) the arbiter of a nebulous term like this.

I sure hope the mods can tell the difference between jokes/banter/differing points of view and insults/slander, a lot of what is perceived as offensive these days is ridiculous, more offense is being taken than given.
If the two week leave I got awhile back for making a cold war joke on a prior leave(to the 2 week one) is any indicator....no, they cannot always do so easily, or they are very strict on their enforcement of such.


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zenstar: i will point out that the whole point of moderation is that things will be looked at in context. it doesn’t matter if someone takes offence at any old thing. a (presumably) sensible person will look at the situation in context and apply the rules as fairly as they can. i also assume that people won’t just be permanently banned at the drop of a hat. i assume people will be warned and whatnot, hopefully before things get out of hand.
As said above, I was given a 2 week leave for a joke on "old soviet jails" not meant to offend as a one off post to a citizen of said lands who also seemed to be ok with it.

No "hate" intended or seen by the person who it was towards(or anyone else it seemed) and bam.....2 week leave. As such, I feel it's understandably fair to be a bit skeptical that they'll always apply that rule evenly.

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zenstar: ofc this relies on the mods being fair, but until proven otherwise i wouldn’t be too alarmist about things.
Agreed....no one should be alarmist at this juncture.
Post edited January 18, 2020 by GameRager
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Bookwyrm627: If a thread drifts, it drifts. If a thread is discussing the nuances of drinking coffee and you try to abruptly change it to how much fun it is to climb mountains, then you're derailing. An impassioned speech about how awesome it is to climb Mount Everest isn't going to make one whit of difference to someone's opinion on how coffee tastes when taken black.
What if a thread drifts and has exhausted it's topic(or it it stalled for some reason for awhile) and people want to discuss other things? Wouldn't it be better to use that thread if it has drifted that way and already served it's topic/purpose than make a new one and clutter the forums with more threads? Just curious.

Also I want to say nice to see you got a shiny new title.....I hope it suits you well and you serve the "office" with honor. :)
*salute*
Post edited January 18, 2020 by GameRager
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GameRager: What if a thread drifts and has exhausted it's topic(or it it stalled for some reason for awhile) and people want to discuss other things? Wouldn't it be better to use that thread if it has drifted that way and already served it's topic/purpose than make a new one and clutter the forums with more threads? Just curious.
In this case, making a new topic would make it easier for people to find the discussion that they're actually interested in.

Also, why do you keep using phrases like "exhasted it is topic" and "served it is topic/purpose", which make no sense in English? (I expanded the contractions for you.)
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dtgreene: In this case, making a new topic would make it easier for people to find the discussion that they're actually interested in.
What if only a few are interested in it and not for long? Why then make a new thread for perhaps a page or less of posts?

Of course server space for such might be more available so that might not be an issue, but with search on GOG not so good it might make it harder to find threads one likes or wants to post to/read.

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dtgreene: Also, why do you keep using phrases like "exhasted it is topic" and "served it is topic/purpose", which make no sense in English? (I expanded the contractions for you.)
Eh, just force of habit and a bit of poor grammar on my part...will try to correct it in the future. Sorry about that, btw.
Post edited January 18, 2020 by GameRager
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GameRager: What if a thread drifts and has exhausted it's topic(or it it stalled for some reason for awhile) and people want to discuss other things? Wouldn't it be better to use that thread if it has drifted that way and already served it's topic/purpose than make a new one and clutter the forums with more threads? Just curious.
If it drifts and goes silent, then personally I'd let it rest in peace. If interest in the drift is revived, I'd suggest starting a new thread so it can be on topic.

That said, this isn't a hard science. Use some discretion. If it is a minor comment, then a short revival might be better.

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GameRager: Also I want to say nice to see you got a shiny new title.....I hope it suits you well and you serve the "office" with honor. :)
*salute*
Thanks. :)
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Telika: Here are the avatars that are deemed perfectly fantastically okay on this website.
HAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHAHA, THE PEACE SIGN IS A HATE SYMBOL NOW, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

CAMPAIGN FOR NUCLEAR DISARMMENT, DAT SEETHING HATREAD!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHA, BRO, GREENPEACE IS ON DAT LIST HAHAHAHA: LIKe, HAHAHA BBRO, dDID YOU EVEN READ THAT LIST BEFORE YOU POSTED??????!!?! HAHAHAHA

THE NUCLEAR POWER NO THANKS SUN IS ALSO A HATE SYMBOL NOW HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THE UK IS DONE FOR!!! ITZ FINISHED!!!!! HAHAHA

HAHAHAHA PETA IS ON THERE TOO AND SEA SHEPHERD HAHAHAHAHAHA GET YO ANIMAL RIGHTS OUTTA MY GAMING FORUM, BIGOT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHA, I CAN' T STOP LAUGHING!!! HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA; REPORT ANONYMOUSLY!!! BIG BRUFA IS WATCHING U!!!! THE UK IS FUKD!!! HAHAHAHAHA

I AIN'T EVEN GUNNA DOUNVOTW;BRUV; COZ THIS IS GOLD!!!! HAHAHAHAHA


PS: Extinction rebellion is also on the list. How dah you?!?!?

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dtgreene: In this case, making a new topic would make it easier for people to find the discussion that they're actually interested in.
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GameRager: What if only a few are interested in it and not for long? Why then make a new thread for perhaps a page or less of posts?

Of course server space for such might be more available so that might not be an issue, but with search on GOG not so good it might make it harder to find threads one likes or wants to post to/read.
That would still be preferable to not finding it at all because the interesting discussion is buried on page 37 of a topic that is otherwise uninteresting, or is even the sort of topic one would rather avoid entirely.

Also, what about those who are interested in the main topic of the thread, but have negative interest in the side topic it changed into?

Threads that are only one page long are much nicer to look through then threads with 253 pages, of which you are only interested in pne page.
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fronzelneekburm: HAHAHAHAHAHA, THE PEACE SIGN IS A HATE SYMBOL NOW, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I think those are mainly symbols that couldbe used by some groups & are possible indicators to watch out for, not that the symbols are all necessarily h*te symbols and/or used only be such types of people, or that everyone using them is bad.

(Also LOL anonymous is on there...all they did IRL that I can recall was to protest scientol0gy and some other minor things.

And since this is a tad political & offtopic I will stop it here)
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Bookwyrm627: That said, this isn't a hard science. Use some discretion. If it is a minor comment, then a short revival might be better.
Sounds good overall...thanks and thanks for being fair on this and everything else so far. :)

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Bookwyrm627: Thanks. :)
No problem....I know from experience(talking to other site mods) it's a non-paying, often thankless job & you guys/gals often do some good & needed work. Have a good one. :)
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dtgreene: That would still be preferable to not finding it at all because the interesting discussion is buried on page 37 of a topic that is otherwise uninteresting, or is even the sort of topic one would rather avoid entirely.
For the former: If it's something only appealing to a few people and only intended to be done for a short time, it's likely better to do it that way & if some show interest or it might need to go on longer then it'd likely be best to make a new thread.

For the latter: People can and often will be subjected to things they dislike reading, sadly....imo we need a hide post w/o low rate button for that, then people could just hide posts they don't want to read(yes they'd still see it for a second or two but it'd help them hide it after they thought to do so, at least).

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dtgreene: Also, what about those who are interested in the main topic of the thread, but have negative interest in the side topic it changed into?
If possible(and it often is) they should ignore it and post to the ontopic posts they like or the thread topic to get it back on track.

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dtgreene: Threads that are only one page long are much nicer to look through then threads with 253 pages, of which you are only interested in one page.
I like long or short threads, as I love reading through a few pages here and there and can also skip to the end of super long threads if need be and start from there. I get some disliking such, though.
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Telika: Here are the avatars that are deemed perfectly fantastically okay on this website.
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fronzelneekburm: THE PEACE SIGN IS A HATE SYMBOL NOW, [...]

CAMPAIGN FOR NUCLEAR DISARMMENT, [...]

GREENPEACE IS ON DAT LIST [...]

THE NUCLEAR POWER NO THANKS SUN IS ALSO A HATE SYMBOL NOW HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THE UK IS DONE FOR!!! [...]

HAHAHAHA PETA IS ON THERE TOO AND SEA SHEPHERD HAHAHAHAHAHA GET YO ANIMAL RIGHTS OUTTA MY GAMING FORUM, BIGOT!!!! [...]

HAHAHAHAHAHA; REPORT ANONYMOUSLY!!! BIG BRUFA IS WATCHING U!!!! THE UK IS [...]

PS: Extinction rebellion is also on the list. How dah you?!?!?
Related to the post above, here goes an incursion in literature and history. Read at your own peril:

Had seen sheets like that from the US, on symbols commonly used by gangs, maybe the poster searched quickly for lists of hate symbols of concern and this came up high on the list. In a pinch, he took it, as the first rows seem reasonable.

It might seem that Alan Moore (V is for Vendetta, Hellblazer) and George Orwell (1984) knew a thing or two about their compatriots. A good modern book is A man lies dreaming, by Lavie Thidar (2016).

Back on topic: The problem of allowing trolling, crossing the line, letting them cross back, write a few “serious” posts here and there, then half-crossing, then going further, then back again (without excluding adulation of the moderators), the problem of this is that, a general tone of trolling sets on the forum. It is not the issue of a limited number of fully dedicated trolls now. Instead, it affects and deteriorates the general atmosphere of the forum. Casual trolling seems to be OK then and contaminates a large portion of the exchanges.

Telika was spot on about who is going to be reading the forum. Too many of the old timers who brought in great contributions have left already. Some have expressed why they rarely post: because of the deterioration of the atmoshpere. The community, a strong selling point for GOG in its first years, is not what it used to be.

And yes, there is a petition for a block option in the forum. Reversible and to be employed, or not, at the will of each user. So that users can take the matter of clearing their reading list into their own hands.

Cheers.

EDIT: Brevity
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GameRager: What if a thread drifts and has exhausted it's topic(or it it stalled for some reason for awhile) and people want to discuss other things? Wouldn't it be better to use that thread if it has drifted that way and already served it's topic/purpose than make a new one and clutter the forums with more threads? Just curious.
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dtgreene: ...why do you keep using phrases like "exhasted it is topic" and "served it is topic/purpose", which make no sense in English? (I expanded the contractions for you.)
Rager's usage is correct, as the apostrophes denote possession, rather than contractions.

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Telika: Here are the avatars that are deemed perfectly fantastically okay on this website.
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fronzelneekburm: HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA, THE PEACE SIGN IS A HATE SYMBOL NOW, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

CAMPAIGN FOR NUCLEAR DISARMMENT, DAT SEETHING HATREAD!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHA, BRO, GREENPEACE IS ON DAT LIST HAHAHAHA: LIKe, HAHAHA BBRO, dDID YOU EVEN READ THAT LIST BEFORE YOU POSTED??????!!?! HAHAHAHA

THE NUCLEAR POWER NO THANKS SUN IS ALSO A HATE SYMBOL NOW HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THE UK IS DONE FOR!!! ITZ FINISHED!!!!! HAHAHA

HAHAHAHA PETA IS ON THERE TOO AND SEA SHEPHERD HAHAHAHAHAHA GET YO ANIMAL RIGHTS OUTTA MY GAMING FORUM, BIGOT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHA, I CAN' T STOP LAUGHING!!! HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA; REPORT ANONYMOUSLY!!! BIG BRUFA IS WATCHING U!!!! THE UK IS FUKD!!! HAHAHAHAHA

I AIN'T EVEN GUNNA DOUNVOTW;BRUV; COZ THIS IS GOLD!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

PS: Extinction rebellion is also on the list. How dah you?!?!?

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I suspect that Telika has severe sleep deprivation. o.O
Post edited January 18, 2020 by richlind33
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dtgreene: ...why do you keep using phrases like "exhasted it is topic" and "served it is topic/purpose", which make no sense in English? (I expanded the contractions for you.)
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richlind33: Rager's usage is correct, as the apostrophes denote possession, rather than contractions.
Not with "it", though, that would be "its".
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fronzelneekburm: HAHAHAHAHAHA, THE PEACE SIGN IS A HATE SYMBOL NOW, HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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GameRager: I think those are mainly symbols that couldbe used by some groups & are possible indicators to watch out for, not that the symbols are all necessarily h*te symbols and/or used only be such types of people, or that everyone using them is bad.

(Also LOL anonymous is on there...all they did IRL that I can recall was to protest scientol0gy and some other minor things.

And since this is a tad political & offtopic I will stop it here)
Hysteria is cancer as far as I'm concerned.

You've hit another milestone, bruh. -711. If it wasn't for bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all. lol

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richlind33: Rager's usage is correct, as the apostrophes denote possession, rather than contractions.
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lolplatypus: Not with "it", though, that would be "its".
So how is it that a German knows this? lol

Thanks.
Post edited January 18, 2020 by richlind33